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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 7, 2014 at 2:42 am
(July 24, 2014 at 6:42 pm)John S Wrote: (July 24, 2014 at 5:37 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Assuming there was some kind of demonstration in the outer precincts of the Temple, and given the way the story is told in the Gospel accounts, I've never really understood Jesus' motivation. What -- the Temple was to be defiled by graven images? What exactly was the "wrong" committed by the money changers? They performed a necessary function. ...but not on temple property. This was SUPPOSED to be holy - and therefore off limits to business being performed there.
In today's terms, it would be like speculators on Wall Street doing their business in churches, with all of the screaming and yelling.
Is there a place where you would find this kind of business being performed there to be offensive?
If had read the earlier post you would know that what the money changer were doing was exchanging foreign coins, brought by foreign jews, for half shekel coins acceptable in the temple, because the shekel is what is prescribed by the bible.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 7, 2014 at 11:47 am
Quote:"If I told a story about a gay man being stoned to death in Uganda by Ugandans (most of whom are black), am I racist?"
Totally depends on how you portray the crowd.
If you throw in a lot of horseshit about "25 And all the people yelled back, “We will take responsibility for his death—we and our children!”" so fire away at that fag nigger, then yes. You would be.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 8, 2014 at 2:17 am
(August 7, 2014 at 11:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:"If I told a story about a gay man being stoned to death in Uganda by Ugandans (most of whom are black), am I racist?"
Totally depends on how you portray the crowd. The crowd is being portrayed as throwing rocks at a man's head because of who he kisses. Is that somehow morally neutral?
If they look to heaven and whisper "sorry" as they do it, will that redeem the characters?
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 8, 2014 at 2:43 am
So your solution to your problem is to claim that the jews were mythical Ugandans of their day?
You won't get far with that one.
Quote:Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/W...e_Jews.htm
Your explanation for this is, apparently, "it's just one of them fucking things." You won't get far with that either.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 9, 2014 at 1:58 am
(August 8, 2014 at 2:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: So your solution to your problem is to claim that the jews were mythical Ugandans of their day? Actually, I was still on the allegory.
Jumping to conclusions prevented you from answering the question.
If you disagree that the allegory fits, then we can argue that after there's an agreement on the answer to the question.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 9, 2014 at 9:40 am
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(August 8, 2014 at 2:17 am)Purplundy Wrote: The crowd is being portrayed as throwing rocks at a man's head because of who he kisses. Is that somehow morally neutral?
If they look to heaven and whisper "sorry" as they do it, will that redeem the characters? Like confession, you mean? I wouldn't know, what do you think?
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 9, 2014 at 12:36 pm
Purp, if anything you have simply demonstrated that you can't see anything wrong with your fucking church or its dogma.
Sorry, that you makes you a fool.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 9, 2014 at 1:24 pm
(August 9, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Purp, if anything you have simply demonstrated that you can't see anything wrong with your fucking church or its dogma.
Sorry, that you makes you a fool. I haven't said a thing about any church or dogma.
Are you going to answer the question, or dodge it?
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm
But I have....and you refuse to open your eyes and see it.
What can I say? Fuck off.
BTW, here's two of your precious "saints" on the issue.
Quote:Some important thinkers in early Christianity offered a dangerous allegation: that Judean Jews had handed Christ over to Pontius Pilate and supported his crucifixion, so were responsible for his death. In the deeply religious Middle Ages, these accusations of deicide (‘God murder’) had a profound impact on how Christians perceived Jews. These prejudices were inflamed by many notable Christian theologians, who voiced anti-Semitic ideas in their teachings. One of the forefathers of the Christian church, Augustine of Hippo (early 5th century AD) described the Jews as a “shamed” people, cursed by God to wander the Earth for eternity. Christ had been one of their own, wrote Augustine, yet they gave him up to the Romans and cheered as he was condemned, brutalised and executed. St Thomas Aquinas, writing in the mid-1200s, argued that Jews should be exploited but not murdered:
It would be appropriate to hold Jews, because of their crime, in perpetual servitude (slavery). Therefore the princes may regard the possessions of Jews as belong to the state. However they must use them with a certain moderation and not deprive Jews of things necessary to life.
- See more at: http://alphahistory.com/holocaust/origin...kHVAx.dpuf
I bet they are wrong too in your view?
This shit does not go away because you don't want to face it.
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RE: Jesus and the money changers
August 9, 2014 at 11:42 pm
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Was I asking you about antisemitism in the Catholic Church or in the Bible?
Also, below are the questions you didn't answer. Congrats on answering the first one, but:
(August 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm)A Wise Man Once Wrote: This shit does not go away because you don't want to face it. (August 8, 2014 at 2:17 am)Purplundy Wrote: (August 7, 2014 at 11:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: Totally depends on how you portray the crowd. The crowd is being portrayed as throwing rocks at a man's head because of who he kisses. Is that somehow morally neutral?
If they look to heaven and whisper "sorry" as they do it, will that redeem the characters?
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