(August 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm)snowtracks Wrote: by day 4, there were enough environmental changes to the bring about changes to the earth's atmosphere such as reduced volcanic activity, reduction in carbon dioxide and water vapor from plant grow. the atmosphere emerge from a translucent state to transparent. with the heavy overcast cloud cover now breaking up, the Sun, moon, stars became visible to creatures on the earth's surface.

Four days?

The amount of energy needed to squash what the 'real' Earth did in about 1 billion years down to 4 days would likely have completely obliterated the planet.

(August 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(August 9, 2014 at 2:48 pm)rasetsu Wrote: And then on the fourth day, he created the sun a second time.

by day 4, there were enough environmental changes to the bring about changes to the earth's atmosphere such as reduced volcanic activity, reduction in carbon dioxide and water vapor from plant grow. the atmosphere emerge from a translucent state to transparent. with the heavy overcast cloud cover now breaking up, the Sun, moon, stars became visible to creatures on the earth's surface.

You don't know any of this. None of this is in the text. You're just pulling this out of your ass. (or, more likely, repeating stuff pulled from someone else's ass)

(August 9, 2014 at 2:16 am)snowtracks Wrote: before genesis day 1, the frame of reference for the narrative is the earth's surface. Day 1 (epoch of time) starts with 'let there be light'. until then, the earth atmosphere zone was opaque due to the sun's disk of dust and other materials. after some time, gravity had pulled this material sufficiently together to form the earth which changed the earth's atmosphere zone to translucent allowing the sun light to reach the earth's surface.
Electromagnetic radiation was brought into the cosmos 13 billion years ago.

It's cute when biblical literalists try to talk cosmology. Sad, but cute.

This thread reminds me of another one that claimed the Quran predicted the Big Bang Theory.

What's next?

(August 10, 2014 at 12:04 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You don't know any of this. None of this is in the text. You're just pulling this out of your ass. (or, more likely, repeating stuff pulled from someone else's ass)

Well, to be fair, it's probably possible simply to stroll into Hovind's 'ass' with a shopping cart of some kind now.

I'm not going to apologize for atheistic origin science. After all these years you certainly would have thought that we'd be just as confident in our knowledge of everything as all those young earth Christians. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to make do with the few sure bits science has managed to conjure up. Can't blame those lucky fundamentalists who know everything just by virtue of their trust in a single book. If only we had the faith necessary to declare victory with so little effort. [/sarcasm]

Where did the universe come from? .......I don't know but I do know that I was there, in whatever form.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:11 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

The current “theory” is that the universe came into being from some explosion called the Big Bang. The standard Big Bang theory does not match smoothness of the cosmic background radiation. So the theory of Inflation was added to the standard Big Bang. That is the latest conjecture of modern science.

Now there are many problems with this “answer” to the origin of the universe. If nothing existed before the Big Bang, then the Big Bang violates a number of principle and laws of science. It violates conservation of mass-energy. The energy went from nothing to all the energy of the universe. It violates cause and effect. Nothing never just explodes and becomes something. It violates all observations, since nothing never just explodes into something. It also does not explain the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.

If something existed before the Big Bang, then the origin question is not answered at all. If the universe always existed, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics says that all order disappeared an infinite time ago. But that is not the case. Also there is still no explanation of the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.

OP...does not matter that we don't know everything under the sun. We cannot say that 'not knowing' makes your lies true. Atheists are honest - when they don't know they say so. Believers will make up lies to garner success, just as politicians do,

Sorry you got banned. I hate to see believers banned before they see the light that all gods and religion is man made hogwash.

(August 10, 2014 at 12:04 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You don't know any of this. None of this is in the text. You're just pulling this out of your ass. (or, more likely, repeating stuff pulled from someone else's ass)

So, you're saying he's doing some form of theistic felching?

Alright, there's been almost 140 pages of this thread, has OP won his Nobel Prize yet?