(July 21, 2014 at 11:15 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(July 21, 2014 at 10:41 am)Chuck Wrote: And turned into rotting, reanimated corpse wearing cheap bling by JJ Abrams.

Your turn is coming, Star Wars fans.

As much as I love star trek, and indeed Star wars 4, 5 & 6, They needed to be left alone once they were done. However I know that's not how Hollywood works; find a brand that hasn't been totally and utterly raped and milk it for every penny by relying on the branding.

Star Trek for me ends at voyager, and Star wars at Jedi. The others are just superfluous.

I'm cautiously optimistic. J.J. Abrams did...OK by the Star Trek franchise (I think its main flaw was justifying its own existence as a reboot without erasing 30 years of Star Trek stuff with the alternate history bullshit). But it seems like, based on his use of 35mm film, practical effects, and desert locations, he at least got the technicals down so hopefully we won't see a washed out CGI PS2 cutscene mess like the prequels (gack, don't even get me started). We'll just have to wait and see with the story. Hopefully after this point, Disney will smarten up and not only allow people digitally purchase and rent all nine movies, but also release the spruced-up theatrical cuts of the original trilogy on Blu-ray (perhaps as part of a double-dipping ULTIMATE FORCE COLLECTION including all nine)!

(July 12, 2014 at 1:49 pm)vodkafan Wrote: The Enterprise doesn't have to be aerodynamic, it's a space ship....it never goes into an atmosphere.

It occasionally does, if you're following the reboot canon, just watch the beginning of Into Darkness.

Not as sure about Original ST, NG, DS9, Voyager or any others; I need to rewatch.

(July 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: if you're following the reboot canon, just watch the beginning of [i]Into Darkness

Repeat after me:

Reboot is not canon. Reboot is not canon. Reboot is not canon. Reboot only happened in a parallel universe of fluidic space filled with organic liquid product of Klingon diarrhea.

(July 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 1:49 pm)vodkafan Wrote: The Enterprise doesn't have to be aerodynamic, it's a space ship....it never goes into an atmosphere.

It occasionally does, if you're following the reboot canon, just watch the beginning of Into Darkness.

Not as sure about Original ST, NG, DS9, Voyager or any others; I need to rewatch.

Voyager goes into atmosphere a lot. It even has specific landing struts to do it. Obviously DS9 doesn't, don't think a galaxy class starship has the capability to land. But even still, being aerodynamic doesn't really matter when you've got shields and a reinforced polarized hull.

But even in the first reboot (09 star trek: the Star Trek) the enterprise clearly must have had to take off from atmosphere because they show it being built on there ground. Which is utterly retarded as starships are built in space in federation ship yards, owing to the fact that the ships are huge and lifting off from the ground isn't what they're designed for.

But I guess JJ wanted to create a thematic bridge between young Kirk and the enterprise so he'd eventually grow up and become darth vader.

(July 21, 2014 at 11:57 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote:

(July 21, 2014 at 11:15 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: As much as I love star trek, and indeed Star wars 4, 5 & 6, They needed to be left alone once they were done. However I know that's not how Hollywood works; find a brand that hasn't been totally and utterly raped and milk it for every penny by relying on the branding.

Star Trek for me ends at voyager, and Star wars at Jedi. The others are just superfluous.

I'm cautiously optimistic. J.J. Abrams did...OK by the Star Trek franchise (I think its main flaw was justifying its own existence as a reboot without erasing 30 years of Star Trek stuff with the alternate history bullshit). But it seems like, based on his use of 35mm film, practical effects, and desert locations, he at least got the technicals down so hopefully we won't see a washed out CGI PS2 cutscene mess like the prequels (gack, don't even get me started). We'll just have to wait and see with the story. Hopefully after this point, Disney will smarten up and not only allow people digitally purchase and rent all nine movies, but also release the spruced-up theatrical cuts of the original trilogy on Blu-ray (perhaps as part of a double-dipping ULTIMATE FORCE COLLECTION including all nine)!

The thing with the JJ reboots is that they were exactly what they needed to be to get money. Star Trek fans make up a a very small demographic of the people who went to see ST 09 and into darkness, and that's why it was such a success. They introduced a version of year trek to the masses that was easy to digest and took the thinking out of it; something I loved about the various Star Trek series'. I'd recommended watching Harry Plinket's review here, funny and dead on the mark:

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-...r-trek-09/

That's what makes me worried for the new Star Wars films. They're most likely not going to be Star Wars films as we know them but dumbed down versions that everyone will be able to stomach, but not necessarily enjoy.

Star Trek never explained, to my satisfaction, how the Klingons became a spacefaring culture. As far as I remember, we never saw Klingons do anything except eat shitty food, act like Space Soviets for awhile, and be inexplicably beaten up virtually every episode. We see no Klingon engineers or scientists of any sort that I remember, except for that one character in Voyager (and she was mixed race). We see very little that is intellectual, and all we do see is dedicated to killing and conquest. They lack all of the characteristics one expects in a culture advanced enough to build an interstellar empire. They should be riding animals and killing each other on their own planet, because that's all they seem to be good for.

Several Klingon scientists were seen in Enterprise.

Ah, I never actually watched any of Enterprise. In fact, I tend to forget it happened. I'd mostly gotten over Star Trek before it aired.

I guess they all died off before Kirk came along.

I'd greatly prefer The Culture over the Federation.

(July 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 1:49 pm)vodkafan Wrote: The Enterprise doesn't have to be aerodynamic, it's a space ship....it never goes into an atmosphere.

It occasionally does, if you're following the reboot canon, just watch the beginning of Into Darkness.

Not as sure about Original ST, NG, DS9, Voyager or any others; I need to rewatch.

The Voyager landed a couple of times too.