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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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(August 12, 2014 at 12:32 am)Jenny A Wrote: That's absurd. Either it works or it doesn't. To suggest that looking for gods other than yours is ignoble, presupposes the answer thus negating the need for the tool. the tool is universal in that it can be applied to anything. Where you seem to be confused is that it will not yield a result In The search for another God, because no other God seeks/claims to be found that way. At best this method with disprove another god.
Quote:You missed the point. Men exist. There's no reason to believe god does.
and you missed a greater point. All men are not candidates to be your husband. (Maybe for you but I know a few who would disagree) a husband is a title given to a specific man married to a specific woman. Not all women get married therefore (albeit a small possibility as I am sure you are very marriage worthy) it is probable that you may never get married.
That is why I asked if you could not find a husband by 30 would you give up or would you continue to ask seek and knock?
Quote: It would be very hard not to see the existence of men good or bad. God on the other hand is very much absent from view everywhere including the church.
it depends on the church and the man you are looking at. If you want to see and hear God every day all you need do is A/S/K.
Quote:Like god required morality that leads to burning people at the stake for heresy? Or stoning women for being raped? Frankly, no god required morality tends to be, well, more moral.
Book, chapter, verse?
Or are you just quoting some church tradition?
(August 12, 2014 at 3:57 am)jesus_wept Wrote: (August 11, 2014 at 4:59 pm)Drich Wrote: then explain to me how you went about testing. If you do not wish me to assert let's examine and scrutinize your actual effort.
You seem to have a real problem answering questions and addressing points.
(August 11, 2014 at 4:59 pm)Drich Wrote: nounASTRONOMY
(in some cosmological theories) nonluminous material that is postulated to exist in space and that could take any of several forms including weakly interacting particles ( cold dark matter ) or high-energy randomly moving particles created soon after the Big Bang ( hot dark matter ).
And c&p from dictionary.com isn't generally Nobel prize effort is it?
Again you've missed the point, and the text you quoted doesn't actually say what dark matter is... in the future it might be worth learning to comprehend the English language before posting, unless you actually want people to think you're an idiot who isnt worth arguing with?
I also notice your god was unable to answer the question so you have unintentionally proven my point, whether you like it or not.
Thanks for the laughs but I'm afraid I dont think much else needs to be said, so I shall simply bid you farewell and leave you to your delusion of being god's special little snowflake.
I cant leave this thread without adding that every time I look at the thread title I think of this old joke.
Knock knock
"Who's there?"
"Jesus"
"What do you want?"
"To save you"
"What from?"
"From what I'm going to do to you if you dont let me in!"
Dark matter IS A THEORY!
Evidently you and your god did not know that. (Which btw satisfies your little challenge.) You proved this when you went irate, and failed to understand what you were actually asking for.
Maybe you ment to ask for me and the God of the bible to give you the chemical composition of the material that the theory of dark matter covers. Rather than ask "what it is.. " Because what 'dark matter is' according to out smartest people is just a theory that my definition covered. 
So..
Who don't know no English now?
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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If you see and hear god every day you might want to get your head checked bud. But meh, I assume that this too will turn out to be pious prattle, eh?
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 1:04 pm
(August 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Drich Wrote: (August 11, 2014 at 5:49 pm)oukoida Wrote: Drich, your whole approach to this sounds circular and void. can you support this or are is this just wishful thinking on your part? It's what I did afterwards. 
(August 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Drich Wrote: Quote:Why do you believe in the god of the bible? (this includes believing that the bible is the 100% accurate and true word of god)
i believe in the God of the bible because because in Said bible God make promises and if you follow what He wants He delivers.
Evidence for that?
(August 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Drich Wrote: I never said the bible was not infallible. As only God is perfect, and the bible is not God, there is no reason to assume the bible is perfect. It never even claims to be.
So if it is not infallible, how can you ever tell which parts are fallible and which aren't? It might be that Luke 11 is an outright fabrication and all the certainties you get from it are a product of confirmation bias.
(August 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Drich Wrote: Quote:Because ASKing brought you to that conclusion.
Ah, no. A/S/King is an objective process that has one examine and quest for the truth of God.
![[Image: objective_definition_fb_big.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=wdet.org%2Fmedia%2F_versions_%2Fraw_feed_images%2Fobjective_definition_fb_big.png)
Sure, it's objective. 
(August 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Drich Wrote: Quote:Why do you believe that ASKing is a reliable
way of knowledge?
Jesus was recorded in prescribing it, I followed it, and Got what was promised.
Again, if you say that the Bible is not infallible, how do you objectively know this isn't all confirmation bias on your side?
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Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 1:25 pm
(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: the tool is universal in that it can be applied to anything. Where you seem to be confused is that it will not yield a result In The search for another God, because no other God seeks/claims to be found that way. At best this method with disprove another god. So if I ask, seek, and knock and find Shiva, I have proven that Shiva doesn't exist because she never commanded me to A/S/K?
I'm thinking that the only two ways to connect with god is if god contacts you and makes himself known, or if you attempt to contact god and he answers. If a person claims that he sought out god and god responded, would you dismiss his claim because it wasn't a god that explicitly described how to get in touch with him? Or if a person claims that he believes in god because god proactively revealed himself, you would dismiss the claim because he did not bother to begin the process of finding god?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Drippy
What is the correct view of God so we may know? Please back this up with scripture just to appease me.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 4:01 pm
(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 12, 2014 at 12:32 am)Jenny A Wrote: That's absurd. Either it works or it doesn't. To suggest that looking for gods other than yours is ignoble, presupposes the answer thus negating the need for the tool. the tool is universal in that it can be applied to anything. Where you seem to be confused is that it will not yield a result In The search for another God, because no other God seeks/claims to be found that way. At best this method with disprove another god. But it DOES lead to belief is other gods and other supernatural things. That's how little Muslims are made. 
(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Jenny Wrote:You missed the point. Men exist. There's no reason to believe god does. and you missed a greater point. All men are not candidates to be your husband. (Maybe for you but I know a few who would disagree) a husband is a title given to a specific man married to a specific woman. Not all women get married therefore (albeit a small possibility as I am sure you are very marriage worthy) it is probable that you may never get married.
That is why I asked if you could not find a husband by 30 would you give up or would you continue to ask seek and knock? I am married and have been for the last 20 years.
The point is that there are many men, many of them marriage worthy. What there isn't is any indication of god.
(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote: It would be very hard not to see the existence of men good or bad. God on the other hand is very much absent from view everywhere including the church.
it depends on the church and the man you are looking at. If you want to see and hear God every day all you need do is A/S/K.
Sorry, but no. And as asking to see the supernatural often causes one to see the supernatural, it isn't a reliable method.
(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote:Like god required morality that leads to burning people at the stake for heresy? Or stoning women for being raped? Frankly, no god required morality tends to be, well, more moral.
Book, chapter, verse?
Or are you just quoting some church tradition. Just history. People who believe in god, have done those things, are are doing those things in god's name.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm
(August 12, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Sorry, but no. And as asking to see the supernatural often causes one to see the supernatural, it isn't a reliable method.
And there is the crux of the problem.
Dritch will never admit that he could be wrong.
Never admit that he may be a victim of his own confirmation bias.
Never admit that people of other religions use the same method, and coincidentally, they find their gods.
Never admit that many of us may have tried his method, sincerely and for years, and failed to find anything.
Never understand that there is no way of testing the reliability of his method.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 4:34 pm
(August 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (August 12, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Sorry, but no. And as asking to see the supernatural often causes one to see the supernatural, it isn't a reliable method.
And there is the crux of the problem.
Dritch will never admit that he could be wrong.
Never admit that he may be a victim of his own confirmation bias.
Never admit that people of other religions use the same method, and coincidentally, they find their gods.
Never admit that many of us may have tried his method, sincerely and for years, and failed to find anything.
Never understand that there is no way of testing the reliability of his method.
Yeap.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 5:00 pm
Quote:And why do Minimalist call Drippy a loser?  ad, sad bunny:
I mainly call him a fuckhead. "Loser" is only when I'm feeling charitable.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 12, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Min, too harsh...!
What's wrong with well meaning but misguided, victim of circumstance, self deluded, etc
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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