(August 16, 2014 at 1:18 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Personally, I think the greatest violence against blacks that is perpetuated by whites is the poverty caused by the dangling of sports figures in front of young black boys' eyes. A disproportionate amount of black children aspire for the sports and entertainment fields that are unable to accommodate their number instead of business and science. White coaches and school teachers are the one's condemning so many black kids to poverty by not engaging the children into more productive endeavors than playing, while the rich whites tap their feet.

It is not that a random black thug is finished off after attacking a cop.

You not me made it about sports.

So when white kids get dangled baseball or hockey or soccer the ratio of kids who dream of making it to the pro level it vs the number who actually make it is magically equal in that all whites will make it?

You are using that as a fucking distraction to scapegoat blacks whether you intend to or not.

There is nothing good or bad blacks kids get sold that white kids don't get sold.

The poverty is because of rich people pitting the white middle class and white poor against black middle class and black poor.

Blacks are not sold anything in life that whites are not sold, but they are impacted negatively because of economic inequality much more than whites.

(August 16, 2014 at 1:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No sorry, I will .not calm down. This is a real problem that I have seen directly affect my friends and co workers, and anyone making lite of the fact that blacks are treated much more harshly in America by cops is a real issue.

Really! Are your friends and co-workers cop attackers and looters, or are you just being hyperbolic?

I am not making fun, police should step up and treat white criminals just as badly as they treat the black ones. End the favoritism!

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(August 16, 2014 at 2:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Blacks are not sold anything in life that whites are not sold, but they are impacted negatively because of economic inequality much more than whites.

Explain to us the current cause of the current economic inequality. Tell me as a white guy what I should not be doing.

(August 16, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(August 16, 2014 at 1:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No sorry, I will .not calm down. This is a real problem that I have seen directly affect my friends and co workers, and anyone making lite of the fact that blacks are treated much more harshly in America by cops is a real issue.

Really! Are your friends and co-workers cop attackers and looters, or are you just being hyperbolic?

I am not making fun, police should step up and treat white criminals just as badly as they treat the black ones. End the favoritism!

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(August 16, 2014 at 2:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Blacks are not sold anything in life that whites are not sold, but they are impacted negatively because of economic inequality much more than whites.

Explain to us the current cause of the current economic inequality. Tell me as a white guy what I should not be doing.

YOU FUCKING MORON, I AM WHITE and I can tell you I have done far worse than mere jaywalking or petty theft when I was teen. I have seen sucker punches and sucker punched myself as a teen.

And no, the vast majority of my black co workers do not riot or assault police. But every single one of them have to fear cops far more much than I do. BECAUSE OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU taking the samples of the few and lumping every black guy into the same category. Much like theists stupidly equate atheists to loving fascist communism.

You have stupidly fallen for the "scary black guy" narrative.

Quote:point the finger at blacks instead of pointing it at the right enemy, greedy assholes pitting us against each other.

Quoted for truth, classic divide and conquer. I'm almost in awe of the purity of form employed in this one. If it wasn't so shitty, I'd be patting them on the back for a job well done.

My advice to everyone regardless of what race you are is to not commit crimes. If everyone quit doing criminal activities then this problem would go away.

And if starving people would just eat then there'd be no starvation.

(August 16, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(August 16, 2014 at 1:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No sorry, I will .not calm down. This is a real problem that I have seen directly affect my friends and co workers, and anyone making lite of the fact that blacks are treated much more harshly in America by cops is a real issue.

Really! Are your friends and co-workers cop attackers and looters, or are you just being hyperbolic?

I am not making fun, police should step up and treat white criminals just as badly as they treat the black ones. End the favoritism!

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(August 16, 2014 at 2:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Blacks are not sold anything in life that whites are not sold, but they are impacted negatively because of economic inequality much more than whites.

Explain to us the current cause of the current economic inequality. Tell me as a white guy what I should not be doing.

You should not be ignoring economic disparity. You should not be ignoring that that disparity is affecting blacks much more than whites. You should not be ignoring that cops are trained to fear the worst, and the gun industry relies on crime and fear to contribute to the flooded market.

The reason I said is because our corporate America's welfare state which depends on lower wages for all, is affecting minorities at a greater rate. If whites want to not make it about race then they should understand that their own fears and economic instability is what corporate america uses to pit blacks against whites.

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Blacks still make less than whites, drop outs, HS diplomas or college, blacks still make less. Blacks still get punished more harshly for the same crimes of whites, which are committed at the same ratio as whites, but have a much higher incarceration rate for the same crimes.

(August 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You should not be ignoring economic disparity. You should not be ignoring that that disparity is affecting blacks much more than whites. You should not be ignoring that cops are trained to fear the worst, and the gun industry relies on crime and fear to contribute to the flooded market.

I don't ignore economic disparity, never have. But I do know that a paycheck doesn't depend on social fairness. It depends on work, and only when governments or companies collude to repress salaries or prevent workers from having a choice or a voice does the unfairness of the "system" come into play. Wealth has to be produced before it can be "shared."

Quote:The reason I said is because our corporate America's welfare state which depends on lower wages for all, is affecting minorities at a greater rate. If whites want to not make it about race then they should understand that their own fears and economic instability is what corporate america uses to pit blacks against whites.

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Blacks still make less than whites, drop outs, HS diplomas or college, blacks still make less. Blacks still get punished more harshly for the same crimes of whites, which are committed at the same ratio as whites, but have a much higher incarceration rate for the same crimes.

You are merely restating my question, not answering it. Yes, we know there is an income disparity, but WHY is there an income disparity?

What is the mechanism. If you have personal knowledge of a black man that is not making as much money as a white peer despite performing an equal job, then tell us why that is happening.

If you know why blacks are disproportionately represented in the ghettos, then tell us who sends them there and who forces them to stay there.

If you know why blacks drop out of high school at a greater rate than whites, please tell us.

(August 16, 2014 at 5:48 pm)Brakeman Wrote: If you know why blacks are disproportionately represented in the ghettos, then tell us who sends them there and who forces them to stay there.

A long history of institutionalized and accepted or tolerated discrimination. The reason that the housing boom affected whites moreso than blacks was simply that those funds which created our housing situation were not available to them. Literally, blacks needed not apply. The effect was multiplicative in that more housing was needed to supply this boom and so populations were moved, condensing those not "in the loop" into areas we now identify as ghettos. This is ignoring those ghettos which were intentionally set up as such for the purposes of bare segregation.

Quote:If you know why blacks drop out of high school at a greater rate than whites, please tell us.

All indicators point to poverty, which has (some of) it's roots in the above. Holds for hispanics as well, not just african americans.

(August 16, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(August 16, 2014 at 5:48 pm)Brakeman Wrote: If you know why blacks are disproportionately represented in the ghettos, then tell us who sends them there and who forces them to stay there.

A long history of institutionalized and accepted or tolerated discrimination. ..

Quote:If you know why blacks drop out of high school at a greater rate than whites, please tell us.

All indicators point to poverty,..

Even though your name's not Brian37, I applaud your stab at the questions. But your answers are too shallow. How does previous generational discrimination continue to have such a profound effect? I find it hard to believe your claim that banks would not have loaned money to a black couple during the housing boom when many banks weren't even interested in references and fiscal stability. I've never heard of any racial lending discrimination in the last 20 years or so. You do know that it is highly illegal, and that a black man that was racially discriminated against would get way more than the amount he was cheated out of borrowing. Can you point out any current examples of how this is occurring today?

You say that black dropout rates are caused by poverty, but if poverty is caused by high black dropout rates, then it is a circular argument.
For the circular system to exist, a third force must be in place, why are so many blacks poor and dropping out of school?