Still two shots to the head. And the hits to the arm, as their expert said, could be facing away or facing the cop. Still consistent with giving up. Witnesses said he fired while Brown ran. Why stop running if you were not hit from behind, arm or back? If I got hit by a bullet I would stop running. Take into account the witnesses saying he tried to give up, and the hit to the crown of his head was the last shot.

OH and those "entry" wounds to the arm hit him while he was running away, your arms do not stay lowered like that when you are running, any time racing on a track team you'd know that. Those "entry wounds" still can be consistent with facing away with his hands up.

You are assuming the pictures depiction which is not the the reality of how the arms in reality move. That is a stationary 2 dimensional drawing. Move your arms in reality you can be in a very consistent position of what the witnesses said.

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Your forearms rotate because your arms rotate. You can face your forearms to your back both while running and face them to your back with your hands up.

Seriously, take your arms right now, ball your hands in a fist, and take your forearms and face them to your back.

Now, take those arms, raise them above your head, and face your palms to your back.

(August 24, 2014 at 12:17 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Here's the autopsy sketch by the Family's ME.

(August 24, 2014 at 12:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Still two shots to the head. And the hits to the arm, as their expert said, could be facing away or facing the cop. Still consistent with giving up. Witnesses said he fired while Brown ran. Why stop running if you were not hit from behind, arm or back? If I got hit by a bullet I would stop running. Take into account the witnesses saying he tried to give up, and the hit to the crown of his head was the last shot.

OH and those "entry" wounds to the arm hit him while he was running away, your arms do not stay lowered like that when you are running, any time racing on a track team you'd know that. Those "entry wounds" still can be consistent with facing away with his hands up.

You are assuming the pictures depiction which is not the the reality of how the arms in reality move. That is a stationary 2 dimensional drawing. Move your arms in reality you can be in a very consistent position of what the witnesses said.

Geeze! The wounds do NOT match with the evidence at all. Your claims of his arms being hit from the front because his hands were up and brown was facing away from the cop, are not only ridiculous on the face but because Michael was 6'4" and the cop would at most be shooting from his eye level, then the bullet trajectories would be angled up, and the muscle tissue layers would reveal that the arm was outstretched when it was pierced. We haven't this kind of detail from the ME's office yet, but that will decide it on the only two shots that could have possibly followed your idea that his arms were hit while he was facing away from the cop.
I'd LOVE to bet you on this one.

The thumb injury cannot be made while the hands are in the air, and the uppermost arm injury where it grazes his chest cannot be made with his hands in the air.

In your scenario the first two shots would have hit Brown while he was running away with his hands up, Then the cop paused while Brown turned around and lowered his hands. When they were down, the cop winked at him and started to fire again, hitting him in the thumb and upper arm, which are the two arm wounds that couldn't be hit with his hands up. Then, according to your story, Brown decided to bow over to allow the cop to shoot him in the eyebrow and top of the head, killing him.

One of the problems with your scenario is that it doesn't match any of the witnesses.

Now look how the evidence fits the copy story as told by the friend.
Tussle at the car, cop gets roughed up, Brown tries to leave, cop regains footing and orders brown to freeze. Brown turns around and charges the cop so the cop unloads on him.
In this scenario all of the bullets hit from the front (check) in the position of a running man all with similar bullet trajectories. (Check)

All without having brown becoming a contortionist or a ballet dancer and without the cop deciding to give pause in the shooting while a 300 lbs Brown turns around and lowers his arms. It's a bitch how that fits isn't it?

The arm wounds were not enough to drop him to the ground anyway, thus the two head shots could only have come from a charging Brown as he wouldn't have fallen to the ground from the arm wounds.

Your reluctance to follow the evidence and stick with your racial preconceptions reminds me of the white juries of Mississippi in the '50s. No amount of obvious evidence could convince them either.

Just because you are a white cop in a black neighborhood doesn't mean you harbor enough hate for black men that you would kill one execution style while they are surrendering. You are making a hell of a huge racist claim to believe that.

They don't match if you stupidly assume that arms are stationary like the picture. Were you born without arms? They never move when you run? You cant lift your arms and face your forearms to your back?

Take the palms of your hands and twist your hands so that your palms face your back. That physically puts your forearms in the position of getting hit with those same entry wounds.

Now take your arms lift them above your head and face your palms to your back. Your forearms face your back.

You are assuming all the shots hit him from the front. That is patently stupid since we know human arms can twist and rotate.

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You can even face your biceps to the rear twisting your arm the right way.

(August 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: They don't match if you stupidly assume that arms are stationary like the picture. Were you born without arms? They never move when you run? You cant lift your arms and face your forearms to your back?

Take the palms of your hands and twist your hands so that your palms face your back. That physically puts your forearms in the position of getting hit with those same entry wounds.

Now take your arms lift them above your head and face your palms to your back. Your forearms face your back.

You are assuming all the shots hit him from the front. That is patently stupid since we know human arms can twist and rotate.

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You can even face your biceps to the rear twisting your arm the right way.

Holy Crap! What ridiculousness and dishonesty. Why would Michal Brown choose that time to become a contortionist? Why would the cop stop shooting until Michael finished turning around and started bowing?

Here are photos of normal people from the planet earth with their arms raised in surrender. look at the positions of the thumbs and the angles of the arms.





If you will notice, they all have their thumbs inward and their upper arms at angles ranging from slightly downward to about 120 degrees. Shooting a person's arms from the front in this position would make the entry on the wrong side of the arm for Brown and from the rear the entry wounds for brown would be at angles into the sky.

Again though, a detailed tissue layer autopsy will definitively tell the position of the arms when pierced, so the concrete answer is out there and coming. So do you want to bet a little bit of your sweat on what the facts will say??? Are you going to be a man enough to say you were wrong and racially motivated into smearing the white cop's name when the facts completely and without a doubt exclude the lies from your favorite witnesses?

(August 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(August 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: They don't match if you stupidly assume that arms are stationary like the picture. Were you born without arms? They never move when you run? You cant lift your arms and face your forearms to your back?

Take the palms of your hands and twist your hands so that your palms face your back. That physically puts your forearms in the position of getting hit with those same entry wounds.

Now take your arms lift them above your head and face your palms to your back. Your forearms face your back.

You are assuming all the shots hit him from the front. That is patently stupid since we know human arms can twist and rotate.

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You can even face your biceps to the rear twisting your arm the right way.

Holy Crap! What ridiculousness and dishonesty. Why would Michal Brown choose that time to become a contortionist? Why would the cop stop shooting until Michael finished turning around and started bowing?

Here are photos of normal people from the planet earth with their arms raised in surrender. look at the positions of the thumbs and the angles of the arms.





If you will notice, they all have their thumbs inward and their upper arms at angles ranging from slightly downward to about 120 degrees. Shooting a person's arms from the front in this position would make the entry on the wrong side of the arm for Brown and from the rear the entry wounds for brown would be at angles into the sky.

Again though, a detailed tissue layer autopsy will definitively tell the position of the arms when pierced, so the concrete answer is out there and coming. So do you want to bet a little bit of your sweat on what the facts will say??? Are you going to be a man enough to say you were wrong and racially motivated into smearing the white cop's name when the facts completely and without a doubt exclude the lies from your favorite witnesses?

Nice try but again YOU STILL CAN FACE your palms backwards with your hands up or down to your side. You do that and that twists your forearm to face backwards too.

Again stupidly assuming the arms are limited to those positions.

(August 25, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Nice try but again YOU STILL CAN FACE your palms backwards with your hands up or down to your side. You do that and that twists your forearm to face backwards too.

Again stupidly assuming the arms are limited to those positions.

I couldn't find any pictures of anyone contorting to surrender with their forearms twisted and their palms facing to the rear, I couldn't find them because no one does that. Never! Not when a cop tells you to freeze. Never in real life.

You remind me of the racist juries in the south in the '50s. No black man stood a chance in their district because the racist whites wouldn't listen to reason or evidence, they just listened to their prejudice telling them that the black men was bad for crossing a white man's path.

You simply switch the colors.

(August 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: BULLSHIT, civilians are not trained cops. Just like in Karate and any martial arts, it is up to you to know when to back off.

That seems to be a non sequitur, nothing I said could reasonably be interpreted as a claim that civilians are trained cops.

(August 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I don't give one fuck what happened at that car. You do not shoot someone in the back when they are not facing you and you do not shoot them when they are trying to give up.

Why are you so certain this man was shot in the back or giving up before the evidence is all in? How is it reasonable to expect a cop who has just had something in his face shattered to exercise perfect judgment (he says, presuming the injury occurred since you've said you don't give a fuck what happened at the car so we might as well go with it)?

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(August 24, 2014 at 11:44 am)Diablo Wrote: I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned. But the police force ideally should mirror the ethnic make up of the area being policed, and so should the administration. More effort should be made in that direction, imho.

Absolutely. In the last ten years the percentage of African Americans in that area has increased significantly without a corresponding increase in African American police officers. Some lag time is to be expected, but so is a real effort to reflect the ethnic makeup of the community.