(August 30, 2014 at 12:49 am)Losty Wrote: Ooohhhh I thought he was innocent. Do you have a link to the video when they took his corpse to trial and it was convicted by a jury of its peers?

No I don't about that at all ?.

Well police brutality in response to a protest about police brutality is ironic. In seriousness, more riots wouldn't hurt anything.

(August 30, 2014 at 1:04 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(August 30, 2014 at 12:49 am)Losty Wrote: Ooohhhh I thought he was innocent. Do you have a link to the video when they took his corpse to trial and it was convicted by a jury of its peers?

No I don't about that at all ?.

Well isn't he innocent until proven guilty?

(August 30, 2014 at 3:10 am)Losty Wrote:

(August 30, 2014 at 1:04 am)psychoslice Wrote: No I don't about that at all ?.

Well isn't he innocent until proven guilty?

Yes of course, but he is dead, and what we see from the footage, there is no reason that he is not guilty, admit it, he stuffed up big time.

Listen p'slice I don't even like to call people guilty when they're around to defend themselves if they haven't been proven guilty. But I certainly won't do it to someone who cannot even defend himself because he was murdered by the police.

Admit it you just like calling him guilty so you don't have to feel bad that you couldn't care less about his death.

(August 30, 2014 at 6:19 am)Losty Wrote: Listen p'slice I don't even like to call people guilty when they're around to defend themselves if they haven't been proven guilty. But I certainly won't do it to someone who cannot even defend himself because he was murdered by the police.

Admit it you just like calling him guilty so you don't have to feel bad that you couldn't care less about his death.

Holy hell! You refrain from calling Michael Brown a thief even with Video, police documents, and and photographic evidence of the stolen cigars at the scene, but you'll judge a cop a "murderer" without any evidence other than the color of his skin and the choice of his occupation despite physical evidence to the contrary???.

Just because in general cops are sometimes racist doesn't mean this particular cop is racist. Wilson might be the only non-racist policeman on the Ferguson force - We don't know - We shouldn't judge and condemn him without real evidence and just because a cop shot a man doesn't count as evidence he's a murderer when there are rules and laws that tell police that they are supposed to shoot people in certain situations.

Racism is bad, but we shouldn't be racist in our attempts to counter racism. We don't need to.

Would you please point out in that post that you quoted where I made this about race?

And I hold police to higher standards than civilians. If they kill someone for what I don't see as a just reason then yes I call that murder.
I never said anything about anyone's race.

(August 30, 2014 at 7:13 am)Brakeman Wrote: We don't know - We shouldn't judge and condemn him without real evidence and just because a cop shot a man doesn't count as evidence he's a murderer when there are rules and laws that tell police that they are supposed to shoot people in certain situations.

Kudos for this. I really think everyone needs to hold on until all the evidence is out before making judgement about anyone in the situation. Its not really in the news here so I have no idea whats actually known. Unfortunately I can see why people from the US would not trust their police.

(August 30, 2014 at 8:12 am)Insanity Wrote:

(August 30, 2014 at 7:13 am)Brakeman Wrote: We don't know - We shouldn't judge and condemn him without real evidence and just because a cop shot a man doesn't count as evidence he's a murderer when there are rules and laws that tell police that they are supposed to shoot people in certain situations.

Kudos for this. I really think everyone needs to hold on until all the evidence is out before making judgement about anyone in the situation. Its not really in the news here so I have no idea whats actually known. Unfortunately I can see why people from the US would not trust their police.

And as I've posted before, the situation has escalated to the point where the larger issue dwarfs the point about why Michael Brown was shot. We certainly should get to the bottom of that and await the evidence before making a conclusion about the allegations regarding both but the police escalated the situation to where there are now much larger issues that need to be addressed.

The police actions in Ferguson show that militarization of local police forces is a very dangerously bad idea. This particular local police force seems to have serious problems with racism that, according to reports I've seen, goes all the way to the top. Not all police departments have this problem (I hope) but regardless, the militarization of the police can lead to needless brutality and crackdowns of otherwise peaceful protests in any neighborhood.

Ferguson is no longer just about one man who was shot by the police. It's now about every town in America and what a militarized police will mean for a free society.

(August 30, 2014 at 7:38 am)Losty Wrote: Would you please point out in that post that you quoted where I made this about race?

And I hold police to higher standards than civilians. If they kill someone for what I don't see as a just reason then yes I call that murder.
I never said anything about anyone's race.

The notoriety of the issue and the protestations of the issue are centered around racism.

The definition of murder is the unlawful killing of someone. Law has everything to do with it, and there is no unimpeached evidence that there was any murder. Higher standards don't apply, as it is either unlawful or not, as it must be in order to be defined it as murder.

Having read many of your posts here, I am positive you are a very nice person and certainly not a racist. I do want to make that very clear. But it is all to easy to get caught up in the emotions of protest propaganda that doesn't fit the facts of the actual occurrence. I furthermore agree with so many here that racism is both alive and well in Ferguson MO as well as most places around the world, and that police detachment and brutality is an extremely big, serious problem in the US. I must in good conscience disagree when any individual is denied a fair trial in the court of public opinion when there is ample evidence that it is unwarranted.

It is a tragedy that Michael Brown did not live and become a good citizen. He made decisions that while they did not of themselves deserve his outcome, they were of high risk of death. If Michael had been run over by the cop car in the middle of the street and killed, we would be saying "why didn't the idiot get out of the road?" The outcome would have been the same but the protests probably wouldn't have occurred. We would certainly not say that jaywalking is worthy of the death penalty, but only an idiot doesn't think jaywalking is dangerous and often ends up with someone dead, and you would rarely call it murder. Bum rushing a previously attacked armed police officer is equally as risky. Michael committed suicide by cop, it wasn't murder.