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So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Quote:On Thursday evening, long after the news day was done, the Supreme Court ruled against religious freedom for a Muslim man in a 5-4 decision.
Domineque Hakim Marcelle Ray was set to be put to death Thursday. His appeals were exhausted, but he had one last request: As a Muslim, he wanted an imam to be in the chamber with him when he was put to death.
In Alabama, prisoners can have a Christian chaplain with them in the chamber when they are executed. Ray’s imam was available to join him in the death penalty chamber, but Alabama — and a majority of the United States Supreme Court — were so eager to put the man to death, and so eager to inflict one more casual cruelty, that they refused to stay the execution for a short time so that the imam could be present.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 12:41 pm
(February 8, 2019 at 12:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Quote:On Thursday evening, long after the news day was done, the Supreme Court ruled against religious freedom for a Muslim man in a 5-4 decision.
Domineque Hakim Marcelle Ray was set to be put to death Thursday. His appeals were exhausted, but he had one last request: As a Muslim, he wanted an imam to be in the chamber with him when he was put to death.
In Alabama, prisoners can have a Christian chaplain with them in the chamber when they are executed. Ray’s imam was available to join him in the death penalty chamber, but Alabama — and a majority of the United States Supreme Court — were so eager to put the man to death, and so eager to inflict one more casual cruelty, that they refused to stay the execution for a short time so that the imam could be present.
https://shareblue.com/conservative-supre...s-liberty/
I want to see some death row inmate claim to be a Pastafarian, and demand a pirate be present....
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Everyone should read this. This is a blatant case of government favoring one religion over another - exactly what the First Amendment is designed to prevent. It's also a case of extreme hypocrisy in light of recent right-wing belly-aching about Christians being denied "religious freedom." They clearly have no interest in the religious freedom of non-Christians.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 3:19 pm
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Religious liberty is the liberty to impose their religion on people...IDK why yall think it's something else. Probably commies.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Christians cherish religious freedom so much that they feel compelled to keep it to themselves.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 4:27 pm
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I have little sympathy for murderers, BUT you know without a doubt if he were Christian he’d be allowed a chaplain in a heartbeat.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm
This is very dangerous. It was not ruling against an unreasonable request any Christian prisoner would not make. It is really an attempt to set up a religious pecking order in this country. It isn't about the death penalty, that needs to be abolished based on cost to tax payers alone.
Rulings like this could lead to discrimination outside a prison. Nobody has to like what a criminal is convicted of, not the point of this response.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 4:50 pm
(February 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This is very dangerous. It was not ruling against an unreasonable request any Christian prisoner would not make. It is really an attempt to set up a religious pecking order in this country. It isn't about the death penalty, that needs to be abolished based on cost to tax payers alone.
Rulings like this could lead to discrimination outside a prison. Nobody has to like what a criminal is convicted of, not the point of this response.
Yep. If the state is going to offer it for one religion, they must offer it for all of them.
I don’t feel one bit sorry for this poor excuse of a man, HE didn’t let his victims have any last rites and got to breath another 20 years after denying them their lives, but it is wrong of the state to deny him a right offered to others simply based on his religion.
Let them get away with this, then they’ll try to get away with more.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 5:25 pm
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(February 8, 2019 at 4:50 pm)Nakara Wrote: (February 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This is very dangerous. It was not ruling against an unreasonable request any Christian prisoner would not make. It is really an attempt to set up a religious pecking order in this country. It isn't about the death penalty, that needs to be abolished based on cost to tax payers alone.
Rulings like this could lead to discrimination outside a prison. Nobody has to like what a criminal is convicted of, not the point of this response.
Yep. If the state is going to offer it for one religion, they must offer it for all of them.
I don’t feel one bit sorry for this poor excuse of a man, HE didn’t let his victims have any last rites and got to breath another 20 years after denying them their lives, but it is wrong of the state to deny him a right offered to others simply based on his religion.
Let them get away with this, then they’ll try to get away with more.
That is the point.
There has been a constant attempt, since the the Constitution was signed off on, to attack the concept of neutrality in the First Amendment and the oath of office.
Far too many people in America don't know their history. The introduction of "God" on coins didn't start until 1890s, and only on select coins. The pledge was written by a Baptist Socialist, in the original version did not contain "Under God".
But the push to erode Jefferson's wall really took off during the 1950s when "God" was put on all money, and in the Pledge. I think that was reaction to two things, the cold war with the USSR, and the beginning of the Civil Rights movement.
The rise of Jerry Falwell and the election of Reagan, has widened the crack in Jefferson's wall.
But the truth is, when you survey worldwide history, you can see a pattern where a given society's social norms are challenged, the conservative part of that society, whom were once used to being the majority, fear change and push back. This ruling coming from this court says the old school knows they are losing and are grasping at straws.
It is sad to see at t his point in time, in America, with all the progress we've made since the start of the country, to see this attempt to turn back the clock.
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RE: So much about religious liberty
February 8, 2019 at 8:43 pm
Sounds like the imam was present, just not allowed into the execution chamber as the imam was not a member of the execution team (among other reasons).
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/08/692605056...y-his-side
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/1...Vacate.pdf
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