(August 31, 2014 at 11:07 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Are these some of your God's perfect creations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-nHw0_...r_embedded

Are you talking about the God who creates all things perfect?

Yes, God created the earth, the stars the trees the sea, light, the moon the animals, the birds and the things that dewells in the sea. God created one singular man. His name was Adam. From Adam's rib God produced (not create as creat mean to form out of nothing) woman/Eve.

From the created adam and the production of Eve, all of humanity is a reproduction of what God has created. Or if you prefer a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy and so on.

Nothing in scripture say copies hold their integrity.

Quote:You do not seem to like how man distributes resources. Why?

We have taken a full billion out of poverty in the last 20 years and forecast the same in the next 20. What is your complaint again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Regards
DL

People are still starving and dying. If you do x and x is not enough why would you brag about x?[/quote]

It's still the same god, same theology, same people. The god depicted in the bible is willing to destroy all humans because he regretted making us. I don't recall anything in the NT saying "ignore all the bits of the OT where god wants to kill all of us, or when he slaughters innocents".

(August 30, 2014 at 8:11 pm)Natachan Wrote:

Quote:Humans should rule over humans. No alien God should ever be let to rule over us even if one did show up.

No. Because I object to the word "rule." The idea is offensive. People operate in a society through mutual cooperation and earned respect. No one is ever to be inherently superior or subservient to another. Ever. It is only a matter of the respect that a person has earned, and any deference they have as a result of that respect which is earned.

I disagree. Man like s rules and laws and these need a hierarchy to protect and enforce.

Take that hierarchy away and you have chaos as all would do as they like.

Man likes rules and order and shuns chaos and anarchy.

Remember that in spite of our intelligence, most people are in religions and that means that they are followers of rules by nature just as you are.

Regards
DL

(August 31, 2014 at 11:20 am)Tobie Wrote: It's still the same god, same theology, same people. The god depicted in the bible is willing to destroy all humans because he regretted making us. I don't recall anything in the NT saying "ignore all the bits of the OT where god wants to kill all of us, or when he slaughters innocents".

I guess your not familiar with the message of the gospels then?

You know the bit where is says:" fore God so loved the world that He gave his only son, that who so ever shall believe in Him, shall not perish but have ever lasting life?"

That one verse creates a new paradigm therefore a completely new religion. What links us to the destruction of the OT is in the word parish. To perish is to feel the wrath of God if belief in His son is not secured. To which I have no issue with that. Because simply put i do not want to spend eternity with everyone who has ever lived. Some of people simply need to 'perish.'

(August 31, 2014 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote: Not concerning the topic being discussed. For people were wiped out because their was no attonement for their great wickedness. Now in NT Christianity their is. Therefore the examples listed are invalid. That is why tobie needs to keep going till he reaches a NT example.

Oh, I see. So Tobie says that the god of the bible orders the slaughter of innocents. You disagree, and so he provides chapter and verse where that happens. Your response is that it happened a long time ago, and so therefore... didn't happen?

I mean, it's the same god. Saying that he figured out a loophole in his own weird rules so that in his infinite mercy he would no longer have to murder people for disagreeing with him doesn't unmurder the first group of people. That still happened, meaning you're just wrong, Drich.

(August 30, 2014 at 9:49 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 30, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Tobie Wrote: I suppose you want a god that commands slaughter of innocents to rule us then?

Book chapter and verse?

Job 2; 3

God says --- Satan moved me to destroy without cause.

Part of what he is speaking of is the murder of Job's children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeOfzN8ZTAM


Care for more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFM0_Ah...F9D6F1F8FF

Regards
DL

(August 31, 2014 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 31, 2014 at 11:20 am)Tobie Wrote: It's still the same god, same theology, same people. The god depicted in the bible is willing to destroy all humans because he regretted making us. I don't recall anything in the NT saying "ignore all the bits of the OT where god wants to kill all of us, or when he slaughters innocents".

I guess your not familiar with the message of the gospels then?

You know the bit where is says:" fore God so loved the world that He gave his only son, that who so ever shall believe in Him, shall not perish but have ever lasting life?"

That one verse creates a new paradigm therefore a completely new religion. What links us to the destruction of the OT is in the word parish. To perish is to feel the wrath of God if belief in His son is not secured. To which I have no issue with that. Because simply put i do not want to spend eternity with everyone who has ever lived. Some of people simply need to 'perish.'

Even if you are correct in this point of your theology, this is still a god who only decides to be a bit nicer after he unnecessarily gets his son killed.

(August 31, 2014 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 31, 2014 at 11:20 am)Tobie Wrote: It's still the same god, same theology, same people. The god depicted in the bible is willing to destroy all humans because he regretted making us. I don't recall anything in the NT saying "ignore all the bits of the OT where god wants to kill all of us, or when he slaughters innocents".

I guess your not familiar with the message of the gospels then?

You know the bit where is says:" fore God so loved the world that He gave his only son, that who so ever shall believe in Him, shall not perish but have ever lasting life?"

That one verse creates a new paradigm therefore a completely new religion. What links us to the destruction of the OT is in the word parish. To perish is to feel the wrath of God if belief in His son is not secured. To which I have no issue with that. Because simply put i do not want to spend eternity with everyone who has ever lived. Some of people simply need to 'perish.'

No no no. That verse does not create a new religion. That verse does not discount the OT. I want to put you in a room with my father and then sit in a corner eating popcorn and enjoying the show lol.

Also, even if we are nice enough to give you this. Ok pretend the OT was made irrelevant by the NT. That doesn't change what your god did in the OT. That doesn't reverse time and mean he hadn't already murdered all those people.

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Nothing in scripture say copies hold their integrity.


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Will I hear a recant for the following that says you are wrong?

That would take an honest person and I do not think that that is you.

Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Christians would have us think that God, the good tree, --- produced corrupt fruit.

If you believe scriptures that say God is perfect that is.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

You have been soundly refuted as the above says that God's copies from Adam on have to be perfect and if not then you God is corrupted.

Gnostic Christians like me have always known that and even you Christianity does and that is why they show God corrupting and cursing the earth when he sealed off Eden and the tree of life from man.

Regards
DL

(August 31, 2014 at 11:25 am)Greatest I am Wrote:

(August 30, 2014 at 8:11 pm)Natachan Wrote: No. Because I object to the word "rule." The idea is offensive. People operate in a society through mutual cooperation and earned respect. No one is ever to be inherently superior or subservient to another. Ever. It is only a matter of the respect that a person has earned, and any deference they have as a result of that respect which is earned.

I disagree. Man like s rules and laws and these need a hierarchy to protect and enforce.

Take that hierarchy away and you have chaos as all would do as they like.

Man likes rules and order and shuns chaos and anarchy.

Remember that in spite of our intelligence, most people are in religions and that means that they are followers of rules by nature just as you are.

Regards
DL

The issue I have is how that hierarchy comes about and is maintained. Take our current system. No one is inherently better than another. No one grovels. Everyone is fundamentally equal. Yet we do have laws and rules. They have come about through a mutual cooperation and understanding (ok, I know that's a gross oversimplification). If a person in authority does something wrong they are held just as accountable as anyone else. Authority in a democratic system can be gained or lost by the collective trust we put in a person based on the respect they have earned.

Setting up a system of ruling with a set person or persons at the top who cannot be moved and who are set as infallible or above reproach is revolting. It is just as revolting as the concept of a god. A civilized person does not give to Caesar, he permits no Caesar.