(September 3, 2014 at 11:59 am)theophilus Wrote:

(August 29, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Diablo Wrote: I had a quick look at two of those sites (thanks for posting them), and they seem to fall into the 'you can change or abstain' category, which is what I expected. So those people don't really love gay people per se, thay just want them to stop being gay, which is not the same thing.

Loving someone means that we do not want them to live in a way that will be harmful to them. God has laws that we are all required to obey. We must warn people not to violate those laws and if they have done so we must tell them how to obtain God's forgiveness. We are to treat everyone this way, not just gay people.

Our objective regarding gay people isn't to stop them from being gay.

http://christiananswers.net/q-cross/cros...hange.html

How will loving someone harm them? There is no god so he/she has no laws. These are your 'laws' by which I mean bigotry. You should mind your own business and stop persecuting a small minority because of your prejudice.

No, your objective is to deny gay people their human rights, which is as immoral as it gets.

(August 29, 2014 at 11:58 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Can you love on command?

Nope

(September 4, 2014 at 12:38 am)Jenny A Wrote:

(August 29, 2014 at 11:58 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Can you love on command?

Nope

QFT.

(September 3, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Diablo Wrote: No, your objective is to deny gay people their human rights, which is as immoral as it gets.

My objective is to remind everyone, both straight and gay, of their responsibility to obey God's commands.

(September 4, 2014 at 11:10 am)theophilus Wrote:

(September 3, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Diablo Wrote: No, your objective is to deny gay people their human rights, which is as immoral as it gets.

My objective is to remind everyone, both straight and gay, of their responsibility to obey God's commands.

Which god is that then? The one who sends you to Paradise if you kill some infidels? The one who who wanted someone to kill his son? The one who killed his own son? One of the Greek gods, maybe, or the Norse ones, or the ones who wanted blood sacrifices? Let's see, which of these guys is the best one?

Which stuff do we have to do? Circumcisions, no shaving, no pork, no beef, wear a turban, pray 6 imes a day, fish on Friday, no condoms? Do we have to do them all, or can we pick and choose?

Or maybe your god is the one true god, just like everyone else's god is. That's always been the trouble: everyone has god on his side.

Edit: I almost forgot: prawns are off (Leviticus). No more seafood for you.

(September 4, 2014 at 11:10 am)theophilus Wrote:

(September 3, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Diablo Wrote: No, your objective is to deny gay people their human rights, which is as immoral as it gets.

My objective is to remind everyone, both straight and gay, of their responsibility to obey God's commands.

There's an obligation? Since when?

Even the bible says there's no obligation. Isn't that the whole point of free will? If you're saying there is an obligation, then can you explain the paradox of (biblical) free will?

Why are you blaspheming (your) god's word?

(September 4, 2014 at 11:10 am)theophilus Wrote: My objective is to remind everyone, both straight and gay, of their responsibility to obey God's commands.

That's your objective? Aim higher; there's no shortage of moral busybodies in the world as it is.

(September 4, 2014 at 11:27 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Even the bible says there's no obligation. Isn't that the whole point of free will? If you're saying there is an obligation, then can you explain the paradox of (biblical) free will?

We are commanded to love God with all our mind and strength. If we love him we will demonstrate that love by obeying his commands.

We are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves. If we see our neighbor acting in a way that will harm him love requires that we warn him.

Biblical free will means that we have the power to choose whether or not to obey God. If we choose to disobey we must be prepared to suffer the consequences.

(September 4, 2014 at 11:39 am)theophilus Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 11:27 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Even the bible says there's no obligation. Isn't that the whole point of free will? If you're saying there is an obligation, then can you explain the paradox of (biblical) free will?

We are commanded to love God with all our mind and strength. If we love him we will demonstrate that love by obeying his commands.

We are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves. If we see our neighbor acting in a way that will harm him love requires that we warn him.

Biblical free will means that we have the power to choose whether or not to obey God. If we choose to disobey we must be prepared to suffer the consequences.

Surely that's contradictory?

We are given a choice (x & y) and then commanded, not just asked, but commanded, to do x and threatened with the most evil heinous immoral and disgusting imaginary acts for all eternity if we do y?

So the biblical version of free will is actually just a dichotomy? Some free will...