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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 12, 2014 at 10:27 am
Well then, I guess we are using different events of what constitutes an 'origin story'. What do you define as an origin story?
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September 12, 2014 at 5:40 pm
It doesn't literally say that, is very much the point Wolfie.
Any study of origins is a moving target. Nobody knows is the only really workable answer up until now. There are lots of fascinating theories but nothing satisfying.
How about you?
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 12, 2014 at 5:47 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 6:41 am)fr0d0 Wrote: That's compatible with Christian theology Brian (inbuilt morality).
Religion strives for truth, yes. If something can be stated that doesn't change with fashion, then that statement is said to be true. I don't know why you'd have a problem with that.
God explains purpose. That's the aim of all religions AFAIK.
STOP trying to retrofit reality to your superstition. Our morality is in us in evolution. Christianity nor your fictional sky hero invented human morality.
If it is in us then YOUR superstition is not a requirement for evolution to occur. Our species was around long before the Hebrews and even the Canaanites whom they Hebrews stole their characters from. Your religion is a spin off of the Hebrews and the Hebrews are a spinoff of polythiesm. Our species was capable of cruelty and compassion when we were painting deer gods on French cave walls.
Your religion was not around 50,000 years ago, much less 200,000 years ago. I have pointed this SCIENTIFIC FACT out to even Buddhists and Hindus.
The ability to fuck and make a baby was around before scientifically ignorant humans wrote down any of those religions. They were not biologists or neurologists or psychologists. They were ignorant humans filling in gaps.
OUR species has always had the same capability to be cruel or compassionate, and NONE OF IT has shit to do with your personal belief as to "god did it". That is YOU wanting a super hero.
You are not special and your pet god is not special. What is unfortunately mundane in our species is our flawed perceptions cause us to gap fill with anthropomorphic personal desires.
Life does not need to be explained with ANY super natural being. There is no cosmic superman vs a cosmic guy with a pitchfork making bets over the neurons in your brain. No magic invisible man gave you a gang manual to justify his existence.
Our morality as a species is not in us because it is matches your personal god belief as to the source of that morality. It is in us because that is what evolution does.
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September 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm
I hope your panties are now untwisted Bri
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September 12, 2014 at 6:09 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I hope your panties are now untwisted Bri
He made some good points in his post, and the best you can do is ad hominem?
Nicely played sir, nicely played.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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September 12, 2014 at 6:14 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2014 at 6:16 pm by fr0d0.)
I saw nothing beyond the diatribe he has been responding with to my many and varied points Si. He clearly wants to get that of his chest repeatedly, and is talking past me. Mine isn't an ad hom. Simply an acknowledgement. I think that's what he really wants.
So how are you getting on with Walton?
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 12, 2014 at 6:53 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I hope your panties are now untwisted Bri
My name is Brian, not Bri, and no my "panties" are not in a bunch.
I am simply and bluntly like I have told you since I met you, saying you got it wrong. It all boils down to you liking the idea of having a god, but the reality is that there never was or will be one. Not yours not any. Neither A
Our species flawed perceptions are what produce such claims.
You are a fellow human being first and foremost to me. But your claims do not deserve taboo status. There is no need for you to believe what you do other than your own ego and desire to do so
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 12, 2014 at 6:56 pm
You keep telling me that Bri without addressing my responses. Like I said, your mind is closed. Enough said.
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September 12, 2014 at 7:31 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2014 at 7:32 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 12, 2014 at 6:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I saw nothing beyond the diatribe he has been responding with to my many and varied points Si. He clearly wants to get that of his chest repeatedly, and is talking past me. Mine isn't an ad hom. Simply an acknowledgement. I think that's what he really wants.
So how are you getting on with Walton?
In his 'diatribe', he made points concerning: morality being a product of our evolution, your religion borrowing from earlier Canaanite mythology, human perceptions being faulty and therefore leading us to believe things that are not true, etc.
All of which are accurate and backed up by tons of data.
You ignore all his points because "his panties are in a twist".
Sorry, but that is an ad hominem.
Argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument
His panties being in a twist is an irreverent 'fact' to the points in his post.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 12, 2014 at 7:44 pm
(September 12, 2014 at 5:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It doesn't literally say that, is very much the point Wolfie.
Yes it quite literally does say that. The bible says that god made the earth in 7 days. There is no disclamer in the bible stating that events in it are metaphorical or you can choose which are metaphorical and which are literal.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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