(September 16, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I am not close minded, I am willing to take other peoples views into account, but everyone seems to get annoyef because I am not Atheist.

By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

Considering other views, without allowing them to influence your thinking in some way, is also, by definition, 'closed-minded'.

I am not annoyed that you're not an atheist.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I am not close minded, I am willing to take other peoples views into account, but everyone seems to get annoyef because I am not Atheist.

By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

Considering other views, without allowing them to influence your thinking in some way, is also, by definition, 'closed-minded'.

I am not annoyed that you're not an atheist.

Alright then, by your defination I am close minded.

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(September 16, 2014 at 4:38 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I am not close minded, I am willing to take other peoples views into account, but everyone seems to get annoyef because I am not Atheist.

No, we (at least, me) are annoyed because not a single things you've said so far has been supported by any sort of evidence, logic, or reasoning. You say you want to talk about stuff or share your viewpoint, and then immediately say that nothing could possibly change your mind, even when you're shown that your statements are built upon false premises or simply erroneous facts. Why would we want to have a conversation with someone who says they already know 100%, with no possiblity of questioning, and that nothing would make them reconsider their position?

I have never once said I know everything and I feel without Christ life would be pointless.

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(September 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I am not close minded, I am willing to take other peoples views into account, but everyone seems to get annoyef because I am not Atheist.

By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

Considering other views, without allowing them to influence your thinking in some way, is also, by definition, 'closed-minded'.

I am not annoyed that you're not an atheist.

I know you are not annoyed, thanks. Just some people seem to be.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote: By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

That is a very convoluted definition with which I disagree. Being open-minded does not mean one is willing to change one's mind, and one who changes his mind due to the opinion of someone else never had any real convictions concerning what he believed.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm)C4RM5 Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote: By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

Considering other views, without allowing them to influence your thinking in some way, is also, by definition, 'closed-minded'.

I am not annoyed that you're not an atheist.

Alright then, by your defination I am close minded.

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(September 16, 2014 at 4:38 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: No, we (at least, me) are annoyed because not a single things you've said so far has been supported by any sort of evidence, logic, or reasoning. You say you want to talk about stuff or share your viewpoint, and then immediately say that nothing could possibly change your mind, even when you're shown that your statements are built upon false premises or simply erroneous facts. Why would we want to have a conversation with someone who says they already know 100%, with no possiblity of questioning, and that nothing would make them reconsider their position?

I have never once said I know everything and I feel without Christ life would be pointless.

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(September 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote: By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

Considering other views, without allowing them to influence your thinking in some way, is also, by definition, 'closed-minded'.

I am not annoyed that you're not an atheist.

I know you are not annoyed, thanks. Just some people seem to be.

I didn't meant that you know everything. I said that you're 100% certain that you know you've got the right ideas about Christ. You've made it clear that nothing will even make you question or reconsider your position, why would we want to discuss it with you?

(September 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Alright then, by your defination I am close minded.

I'm closed-minded about many things - I can be obstinate (just ask my wife). I'll never stop growing and smoking cannabis, and since I'm not open to changing my mind in that regard, then by definition, I am closed-minded with respect to this.

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(September 16, 2014 at 4:44 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote: By definition, one who will not change their mind is 'closed-minded'.

That is a very convoluted definition with which I disagree. Being open-minded does not mean one is willing to change one's mind, and one who changes his mind due to the opinion of someone else never had any real convictions concerning what he believed.

Perhaps I should have used the word 'obstinate'.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:46 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Alright then, by your defination I am close minded.

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I have never once said I know everything and I feel without Christ life would be pointless.

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I know you are not annoyed, thanks. Just some people seem to be.

I didn't meant that you know everything. I said that you're 100% certain that you know you've got the right ideas about Christ. You've made it clear that nothing will even make you question or reconsider your position, why would we want to discuss it with you?

I wanted to understand what other peoples view points were. I mean will you every consider other views to start believing in Christ.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:49 pm)C4RM5 Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:46 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I didn't meant that you know everything. I said that you're 100% certain that you know you've got the right ideas about Christ. You've made it clear that nothing will even make you question or reconsider your position, why would we want to discuss it with you?

I wanted to understand what other peoples view points were. I mean will you every consider other views to start believing in Christ.

Yes, as soon as I'm presented with compelling evidence (that goes for any God, not just Jaysus). I did use to be a Christian y'know. I'm just not convinced that anything like your God exists or makes sense, but I could be wrong, so that option is always there. You, however, say that you will NEVER reconsider or question, which makes discussion rather pointless.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:52 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:49 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I wanted to understand what other peoples view points were. I mean will you every consider other views to start believing in Christ.

Yes, as soon as I'm presented with compelling evidence (that goes for any God, not just Jaysus). I did use to be a Christian y'know. I'm just not convinced that anything like your God exists or makes sense, but I could be wrong, so that option is always there. You, however, say that you will NEVER reconsider or question, which makes discussion rather pointless.

Not always as I said I want to hear your views ad you havd had experiences different than mine.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:54 pm)C4RM5 Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:52 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Yes, as soon as I'm presented with compelling evidence (that goes for any God, not just Jaysus). I did use to be a Christian y'know. I'm just not convinced that anything like your God exists or makes sense, but I could be wrong, so that option is always there. You, however, say that you will NEVER reconsider or question, which makes discussion rather pointless.

Not always as I said I want to hear your views ad you havd had experiences different than mine.

Pass. You already definitely know you're right. Even when your statements are shown to be devoid of anything approaching fact, you sidestep around or redefine terms or just say something about having faith and that you still know you're correct. No thanks.

(September 16, 2014 at 4:56 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 4:54 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Not always as I said I want to hear your views ad you havd had experiences different than mine.

Pass. You already definitely know you're right. Even when your statements are shown to be devoid of anything approaching fact, you sidestep around or redefine terms or just say something about having faith and that you still know you're correct. No thanks.

Well, see you later, God bless.