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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:15 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: (September 25, 2014 at 5:12 pm)lifesagift Wrote: But my point is more the mundane, if muslims want to make law that chops hands off for theft, are they wrong? we have the death penalty.. I suppose I'm looking for qualifiers.. why are we right and them wrong? Because a death-penalty is still more humane than chopping off hands and crippling someone for the rest of their lives.
Are you sure? That's a whole different post right there....
You can see your kids grow up, feel pleasure, eat pineapple, see the aurora borealis, enjoy comedy, sexual pleasures etc etc. all without a hand, or be dead !
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:25 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm)lifesagift Wrote: (September 25, 2014 at 5:15 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Because a death-penalty is still more humane than chopping off hands and crippling someone for the rest of their lives.
Are you sure? That's a whole different post right there....
You can see your kids grow up, feel pleasure, eat pineapple, see the aurora borealis, enjoy comedy, sexual pleasures etc etc. all without a hand, or be dead ! It's not so easy. Death penalty is offered only to people in extreme cases where they are too dangerous to be returned to society. But for theft and such, the punishment still offers them a chance at redemption, a way to get back to a normal life later on. But if you chop-off their hands, you are not only making them a cripple, but also branding them a criminal for the rest of their life.
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:28 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: (September 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Are you sure? That's a whole different post right there....
You can see your kids grow up, feel pleasure, eat pineapple, see the aurora borealis, enjoy comedy, sexual pleasures etc etc. all without a hand, or be dead ! It's not so easy. Death penalty is offered only to people in extreme cases where they are too dangerous to be returned to society. But for theft and such, the punishment still offers them a chance at redemption, a way to get back to a normal life later on. But if you chop-off their hands, you are not only making them a cripple, but also branding them a criminal for the rest of their life.
"rest of their life"... you don't get that with death!
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:35 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:28 pm)lifesagift Wrote: "rest of their life"... you don't get that with death! There is not much "rest of their life" left when they become too dangerous to even attempt to reintegrate them in society. What would you say is better? solitary confinement for as long as they live, or a swift end to it all?
PS: Just in case you don't know, their law has death penalty too, and for much less a crime than the west. And the method for their death penalty is, let's just say, it might be considered humane only when compared to some other methods from the dark ages.
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Have your hand chopped off and suffer all that pain... but if you're dead, you don't get any of that pain, or the joy in between..
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:43 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:01 pm)lifesagift Wrote: So where and how is the western version more... right? What are your metrics? What would be acceptable to you as metrics?
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:45 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (September 25, 2014 at 5:01 pm)lifesagift Wrote: So where and how is the western version more... right? What are your metrics? What would be acceptable to you as metrics?
But that's my point.. I'm western..so mine are right...
I'm asking why they are?
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 5:58 pm
I'm ardently against both the chopping off of hands and the death penalty.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 6:02 pm
(September 25, 2014 at 5:45 pm)lifesagift Wrote: (September 25, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What are your metrics? What would be acceptable to you as metrics?
But that's my point.. I'm western..so mine are right...
I'm asking why they are? Neither is "right", it's just which one is "less wrong" in comparison.
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RE: Devil's advocate..
September 25, 2014 at 6:05 pm
"less wrong" is a missing hand .. by a billion percent..
But we're off track.... anyone care to take this on?
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