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September 27, 2014 at 9:36 pm
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(September 27, 2014 at 9:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: were not talking about random patterns, were talking the same pattern being repeated.
snowflakes form patterns but are never the same.
The rocks in the bowl are never going to fall in precisely the same place either.
What determines the shape of each particular snowflake is a combination of natural rules about crystal formation, and the particular patterns of humidity and warmth and coldness the flake encounters on it's decent. It isn't design, it's random application of rules. NOAA: How Do Snowflakes Form?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm
(September 27, 2014 at 9:36 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (September 27, 2014 at 9:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: were not talking about random patterns, were talking the same pattern being repeated.
snowflakes form patterns but are never the same.
The rocks in the bowl are never going to fall in precisely the same place either.
What determines the shape of each particular snowflake is a combination of natural rules about crystal formation, and the particular patterns of humidity and warmth and coldness the flake encounters on it's decent. It isn't design, it's random application of rules. NOAA: How Do Snowflakes Form?
I think you need to go back and familiarize yourself with the conversation were having...
were talking about the golden ratio / Fibonacci Sequence and how it repeats itself in everything from the shape of the universe on down to DNA.
in case your not familiar with the subject.
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September 27, 2014 at 10:23 pm
The fallacy of considering repeating shapes or patterns like the golden ratio or other expressions of the Fibonacci Sequence proof of design has been discussed to death in the last ten pages. It is a pattern that grows out of it's structural utility, and the way DNA replicates previous patterns rather than starting over again from whole cloth (an effect of mutation). And like the rules governing the form of snowflakes, it almost never really and truly repeats itself. Nature is always just a little off. And then there's all those times nature doesn't utilize the golden ratio at all.
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September 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm
(September 27, 2014 at 10:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The fallacy of considering repeating shapes or patterns like the golden ratio or other expressions of the Fibonacci Sequence proof of design has been discussed to death in the last ten pages. It is a pattern that grows out of it's structural utility, and the way DNA replicates previous patterns rather than starting over again from whole cloth (an effect of mutation). And like the rules governing the form of snowflakes, it almost never really and truly repeats itself. Nature is always just a little off. And then there's all those times nature doesn't utilize the golden ratio at all.
structural utility?
Then explain why bees would reproduce according to the Fibonacci Sequence.
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September 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm
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Haplodiploidy, you explained that, yourself..... pages ago. Why have you gone back to this?
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September 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm
(September 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Haplodiploidy, you explained that, yourself..... pages ago. Why have you gone back to this?
Because of people new to the conversation too lazy to read.
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September 27, 2014 at 10:48 pm
Too lazy to read what, that you'd explained away your own argument?
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September 27, 2014 at 11:15 pm
(September 27, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Too lazy to read what, that you'd explained away your own argument?
My point in using bees as an example is to show that the Fibonacci Sequence is not just found in "structure" but also in animal behavior.
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September 27, 2014 at 11:27 pm
(September 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (September 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Haplodiploidy, you explained that, yourself..... pages ago. Why have you gone back to this?
Because of people new to the conversation too lazy to read.
I've read the whole thread. And I joined many pages before you. It isn't a thread about the Golden Rectangle. And the Golden Ratio has been buried. It exists. It exists. It doesn't exist in all nature and it doesn't come anywhere near proving design.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 27, 2014 at 11:52 pm
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(September 27, 2014 at 11:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: My point in using bees as an example is to show that the Fibonacci Sequence is not just found in "structure" but also in animal behavior. Haplodiploidy is not a behavior.
(I'm certain, however that we could find some example of an animal behavior that gets as close to the sequence, or ratio as anything else you've mentioned - or at the very least that we could find some behavior which we could conceive of -as such-)
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