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October 2, 2014 at 9:56 am
(October 2, 2014 at 9:54 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Seriously? Seriously. Surgenator explained it in this thread:
(September 30, 2014 at 2:55 pm)Surgenator Wrote: All measurements come with an error i.e. all measurements are inaccurate to a certain degree. I couldn't find were they quoted the errors (if they ever did, old papers are notorious for this). However, I made an assumption that work done in 1953 and more recent work (with better computers, better instruments and refined methods) give a smaller error. Hence, the recent data is more accurate. The old work is not obsolete. Their measurement has a bigger error.
It is the difference between first measuring pi=3+-0.2 and the newer measurement of pi=3.14+-0.002.
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October 2, 2014 at 10:19 am
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(October 2, 2014 at 9:56 am)Tonus Wrote: (October 2, 2014 at 9:54 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Seriously? Seriously. Surgenator explained it in this thread:
(September 30, 2014 at 2:55 pm)Surgenator Wrote: All measurements come with an error i.e. all measurements are inaccurate to a certain degree. I couldn't find were they quoted the errors (if they ever did, old papers are notorious for this). However, I made an assumption that work done in 1953 and more recent work (with better computers, better instruments and refined methods) give a smaller error. Hence, the recent data is more accurate. The old work is not obsolete. Their measurement has a bigger error.
It is the difference between first measuring pi=3+-0.2 and the newer measurement of pi=3.14+-0.002.
Yes, he explained that he made an assumption.
"I couldn't find were they quoted the errors (if they ever did, old papers are notorious for this). However, I made an assumption that work done in 1953 and more recent work (with better computers, better instruments and refined methods) give a smaller error."
Also if the old measurement has a "bigger error", it is obsolete by definition.
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October 2, 2014 at 10:24 am
He also explains why he is not calling the older data obsolete, which was your claim. A claim which you apparently decided to pursue in lieu of admitting that the 34:21 ratio you touted doesn't mean anything. You seem to prefer to go off on one tangent after another, rather than stay on topic, once your assertion goes to pieces.
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October 2, 2014 at 10:45 am
(October 2, 2014 at 10:24 am)Tonus Wrote: He also explains why he is not calling the older data obsolete, which was your claim. A claim which you apparently decided to pursue in lieu of admitting that the 34:21 ratio you touted doesn't mean anything. You seem to prefer to go off on one tangent after another, rather than stay on topic, once your assertion goes to pieces.
Answer a simple yes or no question.
If you find new data that is more accurate, do you continue using the old data?
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October 2, 2014 at 10:55 am
That's not a relevant question. We're not talking about a single point of data. We're talking about a data range. The old data isn't wrong, it's not as accurate.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 2, 2014 at 10:57 am
To the OP: It's just been so long I can scarcely remember where the universe came from. Lets see .. what was I doing back then .. hmmm. Not sure.
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October 2, 2014 at 11:01 am
(October 2, 2014 at 10:55 am)Tonus Wrote: That's not a relevant question. We're not talking about a single point of data. We're talking about a data range. The old data isn't wrong, it's not as accurate.
Your refusal to answer a simple question lets me know all I need to know.
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October 2, 2014 at 11:03 am
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October 2, 2014 at 11:09 am
(October 2, 2014 at 11:01 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Your refusal to answer a simple question lets me know all I need to know. Somehow, I suspected that you were looking for a way out. Okay, then.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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October 2, 2014 at 11:12 am
(October 2, 2014 at 11:09 am)Tonus Wrote: (October 2, 2014 at 11:01 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Your refusal to answer a simple question lets me know all I need to know. Somehow, I suspected that you were looking for a way out. Okay, then. Not a way out, answer the question and we can continue.
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