(October 1, 2014 at 10:06 pm)professor Wrote: Aractus, peer review?
That is like going to the atheist convention and looking for kudos on creation science.
The system is (the entire system) naturalistic/ evolutionary and supported by governments all over.
Are you on drugs?

I didn't say it had to be peer-review, I said it had to be academic and gave peer-review as an example. Peer-review is not a conspiracy, journal articles are by far the easiest way to retrieve properly reviewed and verified information.

Let me give you an example - let's say I give you a book, and the book is called "The Atkins Diet". And I tell you it's a diet book that will help you to loose weight and get in shape, that it's healthy, and that you can trust the author the late Dr. Robert Atkins because he was a doctor and a professional nutritionist.

How would you go about deciding whether my recommendation, or rather, Atkins's, is valid or not?

FYI you do realise do you not that Biblical Scholars including hard-evangelicals like Daniel B Wallace publish in peer-review journals like this one?

Quote: These non professional (well, we can chalk them off right away since they don't head up a national geographic dig somewhere) tourists, found and photoed the gigantic Rock split with hydraulic erosion on the rocks at the base of it, pictures on the video.

So what? Did they document it and send someone with the relevant expertise to investigate it? What relevance does it have to the validity of the exodus?

As for Ron Wyatt's "chariot wheels" - it's a forgery. He didn't even document the location, thus no one can independently verify his claim. If he actually found chariot wheels in the Red Sea he would have no problem going back to the same spot with an interested archaeologist or historian (or for that matter simply publish the location itself), he had no problem dragging professionals along to the Durupınar site. Wyatt was just a YEC crackpot, and his claims have been dismissed by just about everyone, even other YECs. Everyone who has looked at the Red Sea for evidence of the exodus and properly documented their activities has found nothing.

Quote: They found rocks arranged in fences like pens for animals and took pictures which are on the video.
They photo shot the mountain covered in black.
Going by memory- they showed foot mark patterns scratched in rocks in various places.
Also shown were the security fence and guard shack put up by the Saudi authority. (I think that was on the vid, I think there are other vids of them on youtube- again going by memory)
No one is allowed in there, subsequent to the Caldwell's visit years ago.
Wonder why?

I apologize for my short initial post ( I thought the vid would speak better than myself). My mistake. Sorry.

Again, so what? That's in Saudi Arabia not in Sinai - where does the Bible say that the wondering Israelites went to that location? It doesn't (for a reference, see this academic article which refutes the claim).

(September 30, 2014 at 5:21 am)Aractus Wrote: A bit off topic, that's a supernatural event. If Jehovah is real he is perfectly capable of making mana and leaving no trace. However 2-3 million Isralites are not capable of leaving no trace and that's what I'm interested in.

Actually the Bible does say that God supernaturally made it so no trace would be left:
Deut 29:5 5 Yet the Lord says, “During the forty years that I led you through the wilderness, your clothes did not wear out, nor did the sandals on your feet."

Nothing wore out, so nothing to leave behind.

Quote:I'd like any Christian here to explain why I should return to the faith when science has disproved the exodus?

It seems you're misunderstanding the word "faith."

Well..not sure how you got from "your clothes didn't wear out" to "no trace at all of this massive migratory movement was left whatsoever in any place at all", but whatevs.

Good to see you again alpha, been a while.

(October 2, 2014 at 12:53 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 30, 2014 at 5:21 am)Aractus Wrote: A bit off topic, that's a supernatural event. If Jehovah is real he is perfectly capable of making mana and leaving no trace. However 2-3 million Isralites are not capable of leaving no trace and that's what I'm interested in.

Actually the Bible does say that God supernaturally made it so no trace would be left:
Deut 29:5 5 Yet the Lord says, “During the forty years that I led you through the wilderness, your clothes did not wear out, nor did the sandals on your feet."

Nothing wore out, so nothing to leave behind.

Quote:I'd like any Christian here to explain why I should return to the faith when science has disproved the exodus?

It seems you're misunderstanding the word "faith."

Heh. Guess nobody died as well in those years.
Why the need for manna then?

(October 1, 2014 at 10:06 pm)professor Wrote: That is like going to the atheist convention and looking for kudos on creation science.
The system is (the entire system) naturalistic/ evolutionary and supported by governments all over.

The governments of the world are trying to push us towards atheism? A wonderful thought, but somehow I doubt it. Politicians love religious belief; next to nationalism, it's the best (and IMO a more reliable) way to manipulate large groups of people.

(October 2, 2014 at 12:53 pm)alpha male Wrote: Actually the Bible does say that God supernaturally made it so no trace would be left:
Deut 29:5 5 Yet the Lord says, “During the forty years that I led you through the wilderness, your clothes did not wear out, nor did the sandals on your feet."

Nothing wore out, so nothing to leave behind.

Yeah, we get it.

The 'Big Book of Multiple Choice' has a passage that will be able to explain away anything that contradicts reality.

"There's no archeological remnants of 2 million people, carts, livestock, trash, dead people and animals, pottery, etc, because....magic".

Count me as convinced

(October 2, 2014 at 1:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: "There's no archeological remnants of 2 million people, carts, livestock, trash, dead people and animals, pottery, etc, because....magic".

Count me as convinced

And my cat created the world last Thursday and no one can prove otherwise. All current memories/evidence implanted.....just......so. There. Done.

Isn't magic fuckin' awesome? Especially when a cat does it.

My cat just finished writing a book. He has no sense of history or of future events, so when he writes "300 years ago my ancestors made a cellular phone call to the cat lord, and the cat lord spake, and the cat lord gave us this land", I'm like, "Cats didn't have cell phones back then!???"

Quote:Nothing wore out, so nothing to leave behind.

Are you really that fucking stupid or are you just fucking around?

And deuteronomy is, at best, a late 7th century book which underwent many redactions. Like the rest of the stupid fucking bible it is not worth the paper it is written on in a historical sense.

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(October 2, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Exian Wrote: My cat just finished writing a book. He has no sense of history or of future events, so when he writes "300 years ago my ancestors made a cellular phone call to the cat lord, and the cat lord spake, and the cat lord gave us this land", I'm like, "Cats didn't have cell phones back then!???"

Don't fuck around with cats.




They take no prisoners.

Ah yes, the power of the pussy.