(October 4, 2014 at 10:06 am)Riketto Wrote: Now you are talking about progressing in the arena of worldly achievement but these achievement never lead to peace of mind and total happiness so how can you say that you will get there?

I have peace of mind, and I am a happy person. I have no idea what you mean by "total" happiness, but I assume it is one of those convenient terms that allows you to always keep it out of reach. One of the great things about having peace of mind and happiness is that I do not worry about whether either of them are "total" or not. Which, interestingly enough, makes them about as close to total as it might be possible to get.

Hey, this transcendence stuff is easier than I thought.

(October 4, 2014 at 9:53 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 4, 2014 at 9:42 am)Riketto Wrote: I know how busy you are but please try to enlightening me.

No problem, Rik. I am progressing in a number of ways. Knowledge and understanding, achieving personal success in a number of areas, identifying a purpose and working to achieve my goals... I am progressing in those areas. None of them require god, just some self-esteem, ambition, determination and a clear yet adaptable plan. Why wait on god when I can get there on my own?

I think the things that you can do without God on your own you need to do, as do I.

(October 4, 2014 at 11:08 am)Stimbo Wrote: Well, I'm definitely getting there.

Nearly there...

I'm so close...

Nearly...

..............

And there we go.

Now, what were we talking about again?

Eh mate, don't you realize that you are not inside the mental unit anymore?
Don't you remember that i got you out thanks to my friendship with the doctor inc harge?
Try to be a bit more coherent so you don't end up there once again.

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(October 4, 2014 at 11:11 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 4, 2014 at 10:06 am)Riketto Wrote: Now you are talking about progressing in the arena of worldly achievement but these achievement never lead to peace of mind and total happiness so how can you say that you will get there?

I have peace of mind, and I am a happy person. I have no idea what you mean by "total" happiness, but I assume it is one of those convenient terms that allows you to always keep it out of reach. One of the great things about having peace of mind and happiness is that I do not worry about whether either of them are "total" or not. Which, interestingly enough, makes them about as close to total as it might be possible to get.
Hey, this transcendence stuff is easier than I thought.

Ok. let us have a simple test to find out whether you have peace of mind and happiness.
1) When you buy a new tv or a car or anything else do you feel sad or a bit frustrated to see that the new model that just came out look better than the one that you just bought?
Yes or no?
2) Suppose that you loose your job or you are terrible short of money.
Does your feeling change or you keep your usual feeling?
Yes or no?
3) Suppose a love one just pass away.
Do you feel very sorry or you think that he will be ok. after all and no pain is felt within?
Feel sorry - not feel sorry?

Here we are Tonus.
If your feeling change than you haven't got peace of mind and permanent happiness.
If on the contrary your feeling doesn't change under the circumstances then you are ok.
Let me know Ton.

(October 5, 2014 at 8:22 am)Riketto Wrote: Ok. let us have a simple test to find out whether you have peace of mind and happiness.

Good thing you're not presumptuous, or anything like that.

Quote:1) When you buy a new tv or a car or anything else do you feel sad or a bit frustrated to see that the new model that just came out look better than the one that you just bought?Yes or no?

No.

Quote:2) Suppose that you loose your job or you are terrible short of money. Does your feeling change or you keep your usual feeling? Yes or no?

I'm not even sure I understand what you mean. But if I was to find myself in a tight financial situation, I'd remain determined to find a way back to success and be confident that I would do so. So I would "keep my usual feeling."

Quote:3) Suppose a love one just pass away. Do you feel very sorry or you think that he will be ok. after all and no pain is felt within? Feel sorry - not feel sorry?

If a person dies, why would I think that he was okay? He's dead. I would mourn and move on after a period of grief.

Quote:If your feeling change than you haven't got peace of mind and permanent happiness.
If on the contrary your feeling doesn't change under the circumstances then you are ok.

If my feelings don't change then I'm a robot. If my feelings change but I am able to maintain my mental and emotional balance and see the larger picture, I have peace of mind and happiness.

I notice that you keep trying to qualify happiness. First you called it "total happiness" and now you call it "permanent happiness." Perhaps this is why you struggle with the concept. You want to believe that there is some higher plane of feeling so that no matter how peaceful or happy you are, you think that there is some greater feeling of peace or happiness that is denied to you. Why would you do that to yourself?

Life has its ups and downs, and you enjoy the ups and handle the downs. Apparently, when you are 'up' you are still down because you're not "totally" up or "permanently" up. That's a pretty awful way to go through life.

Prick, go away and play with your blocks, there's a good boy. I'm talking to the grownups.

(October 5, 2014 at 9:01 am)Tonus Wrote: If my feelings don't change then I'm a robot.

Here is where you don't get how the system works.
Peace of mind is when you come to the conclusion that this life is nothing but an illusion.
For us creatures is a reality but for the creator it is a mental creation and a mental creation is an illusion.
To reach the stage in which you go back to the real reality and understand that you are the creator that manifest in you under an illusion it takes quite a lot of consciousness but when you get there you also understand that pain and pleasure are all part of the cosmic mind game so here is where peace of mind emerge.
Pain can be nullify when you understand that between you and the creator there is no separation.
There are people going in tranc es and not feeling any pain when the flesh is pierced with iron so this demonstrate that peace of mind is when you are not affected by external things and your robotic theory is there when peace of mind is not there.
This prove that you haven't got peace of mind.

http://jamie-monk.blogspot.com/2011/05/p...urite.html

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(October 5, 2014 at 9:20 am)Stimbo Wrote: Prick, go away and play with your blocks, there's a good boy. I'm talking to the grownups.

Sorry mate for coming again and again knocking your door but you still haven't show me a single post in the philosophy forum that is related to philosophy.
I do understand how busy you are these days but please try to find a moment to answer my question.
You will be rewarded with a lot of kudos that will help you to lift up in the sky your already high authority and competencies.

(October 5, 2014 at 9:30 am)Riketto Wrote: Peace of mind is when you come to the conclusion that this life is nothing but an illusion.

That is not what peace of mind is. That might be a way of achieving peace of mind. Peace of mind is defined as the absence of stress or anxiety. For me, that means that it is a state that we constantly work to maintain once we achieve it, by learning how to deal with the pressures and anxieties of life. For you, it appears to be a constant and permanent state that is reached when you strip your physical existence of meaning or purpose.

My peace of mind is not affected by your explanation that I do not have it, nor is my happiness diminished by your claim that it isn't total or permanent. This is because I have learned to assign the proper import to such claims or comments from people who cannot accurately judge my thoughts or my life. In so doing, I can maintain peace of mind and happiness. I understand that for those who believe that there is only one path to such things, my approach has to be discredited. That's fine by me; if that's how you achieve peace of mind, then that's what you have to do.

(October 5, 2014 at 9:30 am)Riketto Wrote:

(October 5, 2014 at 9:20 am)Stimbo Wrote: Prick, go away and play with your blocks, there's a good boy. I'm talking to the grownups.

You will be rewarded with a lot of kudos that will help you to lift up in the sky your already high authority and competencies.

Well that told him!

(October 5, 2014 at 9:50 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 5, 2014 at 9:30 am)Riketto Wrote: Peace of mind is when you come to the conclusion that this life is nothing but an illusion.

That is not what peace of mind is. That might be a way of achieving peace of mind. Peace of mind is defined as the absence of stress or anxiety. For me, that means that it is a state that we constantly work to maintain once we achieve it, by learning how to deal with the pressures and anxieties of life. For you, it appears to be a constant and permanent state that is reached when you strip your physical existence of meaning or purpose.

My peace of mind is not affected by your explanation that I do not have it, nor is my happiness diminished by your claim that it isn't total or permanent. This is because I have learned to assign the proper import to such claims or comments from people who cannot accurately judge my thoughts or my life. In so doing, I can maintain peace of mind and happiness. I understand that for those who believe that there is only one path to such things, my approach has to be discredited. That's fine by me; if that's how you achieve peace of mind, then that's what you have to do.

The road to Rome are infinite.
We are all different so we see the way to progress under a different sky.
One thing that however is not different is Rome.
When everybody reach that stage the panorama is the same for all as it is the same when we reach human emancipation.
There can not be 2 -3 - 4 or infinite goal of life.
The goal is the same for everybody.
You are correct when you say...............For you, it appears to be a constant and permanent state that is reached when you strip your physical existence of meaning or purpose.
This however doesn't mean that i loss control of my physical-mental status.
Without a balance among these factors and the spiritual factor life would be a disaster so until the very end i have to carry on with what life present.
In the past i reach a stage in which i realized that i was not getting anywhere.
This usually is the crossroad that make you think about changing the way to proceed.
My understanding is that you still haven't reach that stage.
You feel comfortable with the way you still proceed.
I am sure that sooner or later you will realize that within the material-physical side there can not be any progress as the universe is balance by the positive and negative.
No matter how hard you may work.
Physical-material achievement are not progress but a way to stay afloat so they have nothing to do with real progress.
As soon as you solve one problem a different and more difficult problem arise so you never get anywhere but you still believe that you are progressing.
Progress come when the problem is solved for good not temporary but this issue will knock the door of your mind later on.

(October 6, 2014 at 6:37 am)Riketto Wrote: Progress come when the problem is solved for good not temporary but this issue will knock the door of your mind later on.

DON'T DO IT! There is much still to live for.