Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So, it would seem a Biblicly-based Christian would think it necessary.

If God was real and created people and the universe or just one or the other, you are still left asking who the hell created him/her and why does he/she give a crap? What's the point? The invention of God to solve our bigger questions still answers nothing, and only leaves more to speculate.

(October 5, 2014 at 3:28 pm)genkaus Wrote: Being destructive does not preclude him from producing anything. For all you know, his reason for creation might be that he could build things up only to destroy them later on.

Not if he wasn't the first cause, no. But then that's not what I said is it?

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(October 5, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Chuck Wrote: Are you really such a big idiot that you can believe in any of what you just said?

If I was talking about my beliefs that might stick

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(October 5, 2014 at 4:31 pm)Baqal Wrote:

(October 5, 2014 at 3:25 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because something bad = something destructive yes?

Um... No?

Try harder

(October 5, 2014 at 4:31 pm)Baqal Wrote:

Quote:A first cause of everything can't be destructive. It couldn't produce anything. Therefore, if existence had a creator, that had to be a positive force.

Well, at least it could produce something to destroy it later on. You haven't presented a valid argument for why the Creator has to be good.

Yes, I have. Ignoring it isn't challenging it.

(October 5, 2014 at 4:31 pm)Baqal Wrote: I would ask you "Why would God need people to love Him, worship Him et cetera?"

Change of subject, right... He doesn't need anything. We need him. I'd kiss you on the cheeks but I think that's your bum

(October 5, 2014 at 1:42 am)whateverist Wrote: What if the xtian god thing was only responsible for creating people? Suppose cosmology wasn't his job. Aside from the bible, is there any other reason to assume god's creative function applies to absolutely everything? ...

Just to piggyback something else on top of that:

Why cannot be more then one creator out there ? Why only one is more logical than many ?

Agreed. It just seems that the defining characteristics of god could hardly be more fluid or more convenient.

Q: Why are they that way?

A: Well then the whole thing just hangs together, don't you see?

(October 5, 2014 at 11:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes, I have. Ignoring it isn't challenging it.

Can't say that I have ignored it... All I've seen was a false equivalence between being bad and being destructive. You know, these adjectives sometimes go in the same package, but... they don't have to.

Quote:Change of subject, right... He doesn't need anything. We need him. I'd kiss you on the cheeks but I think that's your bum ;)

C'mon, don't be shy, BB.

(October 5, 2014 at 11:32 pm)FifthElement Wrote: Why cannot be more then one creator out there ? Why only one is more logical than many ?

That would mean several gods touching fingers to create the singularity. Hmm yes that would work lol

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(October 6, 2014 at 3:15 am)Baqal Wrote:

(October 5, 2014 at 11:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes, I have. Ignoring it isn't challenging it.

Can't say that I have ignored it... All I've seen was a false equivalence between being bad and being destructive. You know, these adjectives sometimes go in the same package,

I gave you a reason, and explained it. You haven't explained why you think there's a problem with it, therefore it stands.