(October 7, 2014 at 10:22 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Not that there is anything wrong with Protestants and Catholics sniping at each other . . .

(October 7, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 7, 2014 at 4:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And they help us make the best decisions.


This of course throws up some important questions, such as why does my angel have to be male instead of some sexy blonde piece, or what advice do they give to the priests about which choirboy to fuck.

(Link, although this being the Grauniad, Fanny was probably talking about gardening angles.)

Go home, Francis, you're drunk.

It's sad.. This guy is the figure head of a whole religion supposedly based on the bible, yet he looks to tradition rather than the bible to label the experience he is describing.

The pope labels these the works of a guardian angel. Angels are just messengers. They bring a message from their master. What the pope is describing according to the bible is the Holy Spirit, and it appears he doesn't even know any better. It is the fruit, and gifts of the Holy Spirit that he is unknowingly describing.

The problem with looking for and worshiping Angels, is that God is not the only one who commands legions of them. Is it beyond the master of lies to send an angel to misrepresent himself to any of us?

(October 8, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Perhaps because I wanted to post the article (note spelling) in order to garner people's opinions, rather than foist my own? All else I for one wrote has been engendered by the opinion you shared. To that end, I consider the OP entirely successful, in that it has generated discussion - the bread and butter of a discussion forum.

Quote:A fravashi /frəˈvɑːʃi/ (Avestan fravaši; Middle Persian fravard, fravahr, fravash, fravaksh) is the guardian spirit mentioned in the Avesta of an individual, who sends out the urvan (often translated as 'soul') into the material world to fight the battle of good versus evil.

(October 8, 2014 at 11:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Just another idea borrowed from the Zoroastrians, via the Greeks. There is precious little in jesusism that is original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fravashi

Quote:A fravashi /frəˈvɑːʃi/ (Avestan fravaši; Middle Persian fravard, fravahr, fravash, fravaksh) is the guardian spirit mentioned in the Avesta of an individual, who sends out the urvan (often translated as 'soul') into the material world to fight the battle of good versus evil.

Quote:John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology:

p. 16
"The Persians had their own mythology, or rather their own conception of the natural and supernatural order, formulated by the religion of Zarathushtra. this cosmic philosophy, influenced by Babylonian astronomy, had an effect on late Jewish thought and Messianic expectations."

P. 127
"The development of the concept of Satan as the personal power of evil, who had his counterpart in the archangel Michael, the champion of cause of man in God's purpose of creation, was probably developed under the influence of Persian Zoroastrian belief in the two conflicting spirits of good and evil....