I'd guess ignorance, but satan is fine too

(October 19, 2014 at 12:00 am)bearheart Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 8:17 pm)professor Wrote: Your buddy got into the dark side.
He is not intentionally manipulating you.
He is being manipulated- no different than the gurus of India.
Same game different day.

What does mean that he is manipulated?

I feel most religions in the world today have there foundations on someone talking to someone on similar grounds. Take Moses, Jesus (did he?), Mohamed all of them had conversations with the divine and ended up preaching common sense of the then era, as the word of GOD

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(October 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm)psychoslice Wrote: If we are not addicted to the world of delusion, then we are addicted to the material world that we call real. Your friend is just seeing all from a different level than you, I am much like your friend, but I don't label myself or call myself a mystic. I think we all should simply except what others are, we are always trying to pull others into our own prison, we believe their dumb for believing such things that we don't understand, if we don't understand it, then it must be wrong or stupid. I think we all should take a look at ourselves first before judging others.

The problem with the other reality is that there is no tangible proof provided that it exists. When you can't furnish any proofs,I feel its better to look inward and ask yourself first "Do I have a problem ?", than to preach or claim the supernatural. Fiction can be even more imaginative. The question is not about understanding, but the right understanding, my blood rushes when I see my friend and many others along with him spent loads of time simply praying(you are great, you are awesome, you are everything ), making this the sole point of their life, leaving careers , family , freinds etc,where in that time could be better spent on other stuff, may actively help the community.
Also why does GOD speak so differently to all these people? Each of these people like my friend, have their own version of what god is and what true god given knowledge is. When I think like that, I tend to infer that such thoughts are mere projections of that person's mind.

We can only know what we know, we have our senses that tell us what the so called outside world is like, but how do we really know what the outside world is. We are all conditioned by our senses, and that is all we know.

It is a big problem. How do you distinguish between superstitious delusions and mental illness?

We are told we have to respect some delusions, and lock people up for others. The distinction only seems to come when the delusions start to have a drastic effect on the person or others, I suppose.

He sounds like he has given himself over, deliberately or otherwise, to fantasy over reality. I'm sorry you have had to see your friend go through this, and I hope that by feeding him some truth and critical thinking, he may be saved.

(October 19, 2014 at 3:57 am)psychoslice Wrote: We can only know what we know, we have our senses that tell us what the so called outside world is like, but how do we really know what the outside world is. We are all conditioned by our senses, and that is all we know.

I agree, but by "we" I feel it includes all humans. I somehow cannot take it that a select few have some extra ability to know the true nature of this world. If they really had such an ability, it would have been a science by itself and not just left in metaphysical realms of thought. I feel such feelings are beautiful like poetry, but are nothing but an extension of human imagination.

Hi Bearheart,
Your friend is honestly following what he thinks is guidance.

I used the guru as an example of one following, then being controlled by what he thinks is god.
The rest of the occult operates the same way, a door is opened by experimenting
with the dark arts or objects (seances, wejie (spell?) boards, whatever, even posessing objects representing things or people dedicated to the dark side gives it entrance.
And what he / she thinks is god enters in.
After a while the entity is in control and not the person.

The above is as common as belly buttons in places like India and Africa, but not in the much more enlightened West.
All the above is relegated here to being mentally impaired.

Your friend needs to renounce / break off every connection to what he has been involved with.

(October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am)professor Wrote: Hi Bearheart,
Your friend is honestly following what he thinks is guidance.

I used the guru as an example of one following, then being controlled by what he thinks is god.
The rest of the occult operates the same way, a door is opened by experimenting
with the dark arts or objects (seances, wejie (spell?) boards, whatever, even posessing objects representing things or people dedicated to the dark side gives it entrance.
And what he / she thinks is god enters in.
After a while the entity is in control and not the person.

The above is as common as belly buttons in places like India and Africa, but not in the much more enlightened West.
All the above is relegated here to being mentally impaired.

Your friend needs to renounce / break off every connection to what he has been involved with.

Thanks professor,

Even I think so, my reason for the post was to understand the same medically. When I say this is not all right, I wanted to back the behavior to be a medical condition. Otherwise I always remain the person who does not know enough or can't understand . I am that person who is simply skeptical and one who cannot accept things out of the norm.

(October 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm)psychoslice Wrote: If we are not addicted to the world of delusion, then we are addicted to the material world that we call real.

False dichotomy.

(October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am)professor Wrote: I used the guru as an example of one following, then being controlled by what he thinks is god.

Same as you and every other religious person who is controlled by what he thinks is god.

(October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am)professor Wrote: The rest of the occult operates the same way, a door is opened by experimenting
with the dark arts or objects (seances, wejie (spell?) boards, whatever, even posessing objects representing things or people dedicated to the dark side gives it entrance.
And what he / she thinks is god enters in.
After a while the entity is in control and not the person.

That would be the onset of schizophrenia and the perfect time to seek urgent medical help.

(October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am)professor Wrote: The above is as common as belly buttons in places like India and Africa, but not in the much more enlightened West.

The "enlightenment" being of the scientific variety rather than the spiritual one.

(October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am)professor Wrote: All the above is relegated here to being mentally impaired.

And quite correctly too.

(October 19, 2014 at 10:28 am)professor Wrote: Your friend needs to renounce / break off every connection to what he has been involved with.

Yes and seek medical help.

(October 18, 2014 at 8:17 pm)professor Wrote: Your buddy got into the dark side.
He is not intentionally manipulating you.
He is being manipulated- no different than the gurus of India.
Same game different day.

Never underestimate the power of the dark side.

(October 19, 2014 at 7:10 am)bearheart Wrote:

(October 19, 2014 at 3:57 am)psychoslice Wrote: We can only know what we know, we have our senses that tell us what the so called outside world is like, but how do we really know what the outside world is. We are all conditioned by our senses, and that is all we know.

I agree, but by "we" I feel it includes all humans. I somehow cannot take it that a select few have some extra ability to know the true nature of this world. If they really had such an ability, it would have been a science by itself and not just left in metaphysical realms of thought. I feel such feelings are beautiful like poetry, but are nothing but an extension of human imagination.

All humans are one with all there is, if they know it or not, its just that some people have had a deep inner experience of that oneness, they are no closer to that oneness than anyone else, but they have again experienced it. The mind cannot understand this, so it can never become a true science, and those who have experienced this can only point to that which is......and that's about it.

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(October 19, 2014 at 11:15 am)Chas Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm)psychoslice Wrote: If we are not addicted to the world of delusion, then we are addicted to the material world that we call real.

False dichotomy.

Yes that's true, only because you are seeing it from your mind, again, the mind can never get it.