(October 22, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well once we prove that spirits exist, then we'll start working on spiritual matters. For now let's just work on equality and higher quality living for all people.

Spirits exist. They come in bottles and are tasty.

(October 22, 2014 at 2:13 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well once we prove that spirits exist, then we'll start working on spiritual matters. For now let's just work on equality and higher quality living for all people.

Spirits exist. They come in bottles and are tasty.

Vodka: the WHOLLY spirit . . .

(October 22, 2014 at 2:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Ascension means there are spiritual stages. Some being a higher reality then the others and closer to the sublime utmost reality.

Ok. I think. If I understand you right, you fear that realising there might be no god to which to ascend will lead to your feeling alone in the world, spiritually speaking. That you are going to have to face life on its own terms, without the safety net of believing you're destined for higher things. Am I on the right track? Because if so, I have to ask you if believing the panacea - the "comforting lie" - is more important to you than the harsh truth of reality?

As for whether finding your own path is subjective, again if that's what you're saying, well yes it is. So is everyone else's. The interface between those subjective paths is called society. Welcome to the human race.

I hear that Pascal's bookie showed up and broke his thumbs for non-payment. He's been losing that wager for 350 years.

Boru

(October 22, 2014 at 4:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I hear that Pascal's bookie showed up and broke his thumbs for non-payment. He's been losing that wager for 350 years.

Boru

When I used to hang around on Yahoo answers we'd have a faux drinking contest every time someone brought up Pascal.

(October 22, 2014 at 4:02 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 4:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I hear that Pascal's bookie showed up and broke his thumbs for non-payment. He's been losing that wager for 350 years.

Boru

When I used to hang around on Yahoo answers we'd have a faux drinking contest every time someone brought up Pascal.

If you'd made it a real one, your liver would have fallen out by now.

Boru

(October 22, 2014 at 4:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 4:02 pm)Beccs Wrote: When I used to hang around on Yahoo answers we'd have a faux drinking contest every time someone brought up Pascal.

If you'd made it a real one, your liver would have fallen out by now.

Boru

Which is why it wasn't real.

I can't afford - career wise - to be a drunk.

(October 22, 2014 at 4:39 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 4:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you'd made it a real one, your liver would have fallen out by now.

Boru

Which is why it wasn't real.

I can't afford - career wise - to be a drunk.

Ever considered a change of career?

Boru

(October 22, 2014 at 4:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 4:39 pm)Beccs Wrote: Which is why it wasn't real.

I can't afford - career wise - to be a drunk.

Ever considered a change of career?

Boru

After a dozen years of school, internship and residency, I finally fully qualify at the end of the year.

Might be time for a change after that.

I always wanted to be a surf bum.

(October 22, 2014 at 2:16 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 2:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Ascension means there are spiritual stages. Some being a higher reality then the others and closer to the sublime utmost reality.

Ok. I think. If I understand you right, you fear that realising there might be no god to which to ascend will lead to your feeling alone in the world, spiritually speaking. That you are going to have to face life on its own terms, without the safety net of believing you're destined for higher things. Am I on the right track? Because if so, I have to ask you if believing the panacea - the "comforting lie" - is more important to you than the harsh truth of reality?

As for whether finding your own path is subjective, again if that's what you're saying, well yes it is. So is everyone else's. The interface between those subjective paths is called society. Welcome to the human race.

I want to believe the truth whatever it maybe. It's just that I fear the truth being other then God existing. In this sense, I have a bias towards what I perceive as the truth. However, if God doesn't exist, I don't want to believe that he does.

Alone and facing life on it's own terms is another subject. What I was talking about is what it means to be human, the value of a human spiritually, and the stages of ascension and spiritual growth meant for him.