(October 23, 2014 at 3:20 pm)TreeSapNest Wrote: You are saying we and the quasar were not 13 billion light years apart 13 billion years ago, rather we were closer and the light has been slowed down during its 13 billion year journey between us?

These are tough questions and I appreciate you trying to answer them. Genesis is a tough book to write. :-)

alright so we know we are not statically placed in the universe as it is ever evolving and changing. if by any change if we are apart of a multiverse but i don't see that being likely. its like the bubble theory we are one of many bubbles floating around and expanding but our bubbles would eventually touch and and bounce off of each other. but yes our time and space is closed off that much we know can we can go from another bubble to another we are forced to stay here. but the if you think about expansion what we see now in space currently is the past and where star formations are. we cannot get a real time view of what stars are going because that would require high powered telescopes beyond what we are currently able to do. that light from a quasar is getting here and you can view it outside or though a lens of a telescope. the reason why its not fast or real time is distance with light. so sun goes up sun goes down we revolve a star. however this is not the case the further away the light time passes by faster when it reaches the target. so when the light and information of the quasar reaches you you can view and see it but chances are it being there if if shifted it would take hundreds to thousands of years to see change its position on earth if we were closer we can see it changing nearly day by day or month to month. time dilation its something else. if you are in a car time passes by faster than the outside. if you park your care time will go by slower. if you are having fun in the care it will go by faster and where if you are bored it goes by slower. lets see if you live in a pent house the higher up you are the faster you age the lower you live the slower you age.

(October 23, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Exian Wrote: I think the earliest quasars are about 12 billion light years away (a billion years after the Big Bang).

I was speaking in general terms, but ya there is a short amount of time between big bang and earliest observed objects. NASA puts them at 13.7 billion and 13.2 billion, respectively.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble...alaxy.html

(October 23, 2014 at 3:59 pm)TreeSapNest Wrote:

(October 23, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Exian Wrote: I think the earliest quasars are about 12 billion light years away (a billion years after the Big Bang).

I was speaking in general terms, but ya there is a short amount of time between big bang and earliest observed objects. NASA puts them at 13.7 billion and 13.2 billion, respectively.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble...alaxy.html

yes exactly.

Exactly what? I'm still curious how we got 13.2 billion light years apart in .5 billion years. :-)

(October 23, 2014 at 4:12 pm)TreeSapNest Wrote: Exactly what? I'm still curious how we got 13.2 billion light years apart in .5 billion years. :-)

Technology <- advance instruments that do the hard work for us.
take into account we live in a really dusty area too where that slows down light and things also obstetrical slow down light.
even black hole can bend and warp light.

So NASA has it wrong?

(October 23, 2014 at 4:50 pm)TreeSapNest Wrote: So NASA has it wrong?

If the light from a quasar took 13 billion years to reach us, then the quasar was 13 billion light years away from us 13 billion years ago.

13billion light years would be the estimate and distance to travel to and from not talking about years.

Loosely speaking, that is the distance that you would get if you could somehow take a snapshot of the universe at the present and measure the distance to the quasar using a humongous yardstick. You can't do that, of course, but if you make some assumptions about the amount of matter and dark energy in the universe, you can calculate the proper distance from the redshift of the quasar, which you can easily measure with a telescope and a spectrometer.

i think i lost you when i didn't mention the the light years being distance.

I'm still lost. If the quasar is presently 13 billion light years away the light would have to travel 13 billion light years (~75 billion trillion miles) in an instant.

(October 24, 2014 at 8:55 am)TreeSapNest Wrote: I'm still lost. If the quasar is presently 13 billion light years away the light would have to travel 13 billion light years (~75 billion trillion miles) in an instant.

closer its not getting there in an instant it is the light coming from said previous location it was if the star is 13billion light years away it wont be in the same place by the time when we get there going back to earth it looks like its in the same spot. light in a vacuum anything can mess with it we are getting the older photons from that quasar no new ones.

(October 24, 2014 at 9:10 am)dyresand Wrote:

(October 24, 2014 at 8:55 am)TreeSapNest Wrote: I'm still lost. If the quasar is presently 13 billion light years away the light would have to travel 13 billion light years (~75 billion trillion miles) in an instant.

closer its not getting there in an instant it is the light coming from said previous location it was if the star is 13billion light years away it wont be in the same place by the time when we get there going back to earth it looks like its in the same spot. light in a vacuum anything can mess with it we are getting the older photons from that quasar no new ones.

We seem to be in agreement. When we view the light from the quasar we are seeing it where it was 13 billion years ago. 13 billion years ago it was already approx. 75 billion trillion miles from us. So my question is then, how did we get so far apart in such a young universe?