(October 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:15 pm)trmof Wrote: Yes.

Meh, not precise enough. What do you mean by hard atheism?
What are the characteristics of God we are talking about?

That's a good question, Alex! trmof, what do you say?

(October 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: A-holes are A-holes, and they belong to every group, sect and community. There can be moderate and liberal A-holes too, but gnostic atheism isn't volent or irrational, and is nothing like religious fundamentalism.

When Gnostic Atheists have been placed in positions of power they were able to kill more people in one century than the entire number of people killed by all the world's religions up to that point. I would argue than an ideology that leads that allows such monsters as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do what they did without a hint of remorse is the more dangerous ideology.

(October 27, 2014 at 5:53 pm)trmof Wrote: No, they are not. You don't get to define the characteristics of a supposedly fictional character that you did not create, just as you are not able to decide that Harry Potter is a purple giraffe without people correcting you.

So why does Gabriel make an appearance and why does Jesus? Did god rent them out to a different franchise?

(October 27, 2014 at 6:00 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: A-holes are A-holes, and they belong to every group, sect and community. There can be moderate and liberal A-holes too, but gnostic atheism isn't volent or irrational, and is nothing like religious fundamentalism.

When Gnostic Atheists have been placed in positions of power they were able to kill more people in one century than the entire number of people killed by all the world's religions up to that point. I would argue than an ideology that leads that allows such monsters as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do what they did without a hint of remorse is the more dangerous ideology.

I've said it a hundred times, but the ideology which has made these "monsters" the powerful rulers they were is precisely Christianity. Over the course of centuries, it has conditioned the people to follow charismatic saviour figures without engaging in critical thinking.

(October 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:15 pm)trmof Wrote: Yes.

Meh, not precise enough. What do you mean by hard atheism?
What are the characteristics of God we are talking about?

By hard atheism I mean those who claim the non-existence of a God or gods as fact. They do in fact exist, and they are for the most part insufferable to have a conversation with.

As for the characteristics, a lower-case "god" would be a being which possesses power which would appear as incomprehensible magic to humans. This would apply to any being such as a demon or angel.

The creator God would be distinguished by his ability to, if not outright create, at least mold and shape universes to his liking.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:53 pm)trmof Wrote: No, they are not. You don't get to define the characteristics of a supposedly fictional character that you did not create, just as you are not able to decide that Harry Potter is a purple giraffe without people correcting you.

So why does Gabriel make an appearance and why does Jesus? Did god rent them out to a different franchise?

Because their god is a liar who's trying to ride on the real one's coattails.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Alex K Wrote: Meh, not precise enough. What do you mean by hard atheism?
What are the characteristics of God we are talking about?

By hard atheism I mean those who claim the non-existence of a God or gods as fact. They do in fact exist, and they are for the most part insufferable to have a conversation with.

As for the characteristics, a lower-case "god" would be a being which possesses power which would appear as incomprehensible magic to humans. This would apply to any being such as a demon or angel.

The creator God would be distinguished by his ability to, if not outright create, at least mold and shape universes to his liking.

Which ones yours? upper or lowercase?

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm)abaris Wrote: So why does Gabriel make an appearance and why does Jesus? Did god rent them out to a different franchise?

Because their god is a liar who's trying to ride on the real one's coattails.

Why does the real one let him steal his patents?

(October 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm)trmof Wrote: The creator God would be distinguished by his ability to, if not outright create, at least mold and shape universes to his liking.

So you mean by hard atheist someone who denies absolutely the existence of a creator God. What is a creator God more precisely?

Quote:We can agree on all of that. However, hard atheists are just as likely to conflate peaceful Christians with extreme ones and blindly attack them as extremist Christians are to do the same. I think we should have just as much condemnation for the intolerance of hard atheists as we do for violent Christians.

As an hard atheist, as you put it (whatever suits your view), I'm 100% sure I wouldn't hesitate to help, love and cherish religious people if I got along with them - In fact I do that - My religious views don't prevent me from being a human being with behaviour I consider ethically correct - Unlike theists who use their morality and ethics to hurt others. I may think Christianity is bullshit, but I would never prevent you from believing or let you be discriminated simply because you are a Christian - There lies all the difference. And I'm a gnostic atheist.

By the way - How do you define an extremist atheists? Which atheists advocate murdering all religious people? I've never heard such peculiar idea - Mao and Stalin might have been atheists, but the evil was communist dogma, not atheism. What's the most extremist atheists will do? Write books and exercise freedom of speech? If it bothers you that much, shut down your ears - It offends me that priests and bishops say I'm going to hell and I'm not stopping them from saying it.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm)trmof Wrote: Because their god is a liar who's trying to ride on the real one's coattails.

Yeah sure - and pigs might fly.

You still hold the opinion that many christians believe in the existence of many gods? For your convenience I post that bible quote once again. Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

How does that compute exactly?

(October 27, 2014 at 6:00 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: A-holes are A-holes, and they belong to every group, sect and community. There can be moderate and liberal A-holes too, but gnostic atheism isn't volent or irrational, and is nothing like religious fundamentalism.

When Gnostic Atheists have been placed in positions of power they were able to kill more people in one century than the entire number of people killed by all the world's religions up to that point. I would argue than an ideology that leads that allows such monsters as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do what they did without a hint of remorse is the more dangerous ideology.

You are spouting a lot of nonsense, making unevidenced claims.

You are also delusional. So, there's that.