(October 24, 2014 at 10:56 am)TreeSapNest Wrote:

(October 24, 2014 at 9:10 am)dyresand Wrote: closer its not getting there in an instant it is the light coming from said previous location it was if the star is 13billion light years away it wont be in the same place by the time when we get there going back to earth it looks like its in the same spot. light in a vacuum anything can mess with it we are getting the older photons from that quasar no new ones.

We seem to be in agreement. When we view the light from the quasar we are seeing it where it was 13 billion years ago. 13 billion years ago it was already approx. 75 billion trillion miles from us. So my question is then, how did we get so far apart in such a young universe?

there is a type of energy called dark energy that is causing the galaxies to move apart however right of now there is another galaxy coming out way and is going to hit our home galaxy.

(October 22, 2014 at 10:14 pm)dyresand Wrote: Before the beginning there was nothing a black void of nothingness.
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Energy is neither created nor destroyed same goes for matter.

You have a little problem there...

(October 28, 2014 at 10:21 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 10:14 pm)dyresand Wrote: Before the beginning there was nothing a black void of nothingness.
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Energy is neither created nor destroyed same goes for matter.

You have a little problem there...

its a problem a physics problem because something came from nothing.
quantum mechanics explains it better than i can.

(October 28, 2014 at 12:05 pm)dyresand Wrote: its a problem a physics problem because something came from nothing.
quantum mechanics explains it better than i can.

If you go from nothing to something, then energy/matter can apparently be created.

(October 28, 2014 at 12:22 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(October 28, 2014 at 12:05 pm)dyresand Wrote: its a problem a physics problem because something came from nothing.
quantum mechanics explains it better than i can.

If you go from nothing to something, then energy/matter can apparently be created.

in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of
particle/antiparticle pairs. But that just raises the question of where the energy
came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero

The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close to each
other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart. This is
because you have to expend energy to separate them. You have to pull against
the gravitational force attracting them together. Thus, in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of the whole universe, one can
show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy of the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero.

(October 28, 2014 at 12:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of
particle/antiparticle pairs. But that just raises the question of where the energy
came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero

First, that's a hypothesis made from inflationary theory, not an observed fact.

Second, you don't need to call a gravitational field negative. You can simply say that two different categories of matter/energy are always equal.

With the total=zero approach, you have the curious conclusion that something is really nothing.

(October 22, 2014 at 10:14 pm)dyresand Wrote: Ahem if you are theist prepare to have your mind blown because this is documented fact! how ever keep reading and challenge your faith.

Before the beginning there was nothing a black void of nothingness. and in this nothingness there was something an anomaly if you would. that said anomaly came into existence and can be explained by quantum mechanics. because that anomaly was unstable it exploded outwards in omini directions birthing what we live in now time and space.

What's a black void of nothingness? That sounds like something to me. And within this almost-nothingness-something there was quantum mechanics, and through this an anomaly that resulted in our Universe? I don't see anything here that is incompatible with what a theist believes. Their language is simply different. Miracle, anomaly, to-may-to, to-mah-to.

(October 28, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(October 22, 2014 at 10:14 pm)dyresand Wrote: Ahem if you are theist prepare to have your mind blown because this is documented fact! how ever keep reading and challenge your faith.

Before the beginning there was nothing a black void of nothingness. and in this nothingness there was something an anomaly if you would. that said anomaly came into existence and can be explained by quantum mechanics. because that anomaly was unstable it exploded outwards in omini directions birthing what we live in now time and space.

What's a black void of nothingness? That sounds like something to me. And within this almost-nothingness-something there was quantum mechanics, and through this an anomaly that resulted in our Universe? I don't see anything here that is incompatible with what a theist believes. Their language is simply different. Miracle, anomaly, to-may-to, to-mah-to.

its hard to explain nothing because we are and we live in something.
that's what i wrote when it first came to my mind it would be harder writing about nothing. originally i was going to write there is something floating in nothing but that's why i wrote it the way i did originally.

(October 28, 2014 at 4:11 pm)dyresand Wrote: its hard to explain nothing because we are and we live in something.
that's what i wrote when it first came to my mind it would be harder writing about nothing. originally i was going to write there is something floating in nothing but that's why i wrote it the way i did originally.

Ex nihilo nihil fit, no? Nothing is a relative term. Absolute nothingness is inconceivable and as a result, I would add, wholly fictitious. Why can't time and space (and hence matter) be eternal?

(October 28, 2014 at 4:18 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(October 28, 2014 at 4:11 pm)dyresand Wrote: its hard to explain nothing because we are and we live in something.
that's what i wrote when it first came to my mind it would be harder writing about nothing. originally i was going to write there is something floating in nothing but that's why i wrote it the way i did originally.

Ex nihilo nihil fit, no? Nothing is a relative term. Absolute nothingness is inconceivable and as a result, I would add, wholly fictitious. Why can't time and space (and hence matter) be eternal?

space time matter are not eternal eventuality
when entropy reaches its highest point all matter will
eventual will turn near 0c* and loose its bonds.