(October 29, 2014 at 9:42 am)Heywood Wrote: I don't think God suffers from anxiety.

And there is your problem.

(October 29, 2014 at 10:56 am)Jenny A Wrote: This kind of thinking is an example of the lottery fallacy. The odds of any one person winning the lottery may be several million to one and thus any one person winning it looks miraculous. But the chances of someone winning it approach 100%. Therefore a lottery win is not miraculous.

I never said it was a miracle. I did say it does not prove God. There was a case of a woman who kept winning millions of dollars on scratchers....that she bought at the same store. A miracle? No. Suspicious? Yes.

Turned out she found out how to tell winning tickets from losing tickets without having to scratch them off. She made a deal with the store clerk to let her examine the tickets and buy up all the winning ones.

Her "good fortune" turned out to be evidence that perhaps there was a way to cheat at scratchers.

I find that the apparent size of the sun, as compared to a basketball, is proof of intelligent design!

(October 29, 2014 at 11:42 am)pocaracas Wrote: I find that the apparent size of the sun, as compared to a basketball, is proof of intelligent design!

When you can move the earth and/or moon into just the right position....then your point will have some merit.

Heywood, are you arguing that this apparent precision coinciding with our ability to observe it is a proof of a purposeful design? I ask because you started out by positing a signature on the Moon, then when asked for evidence of similar distinction you've retreated behind an argument from apparent improbability. If you're arguing that all this is interesting, I agree. If you're arguing anything more, I'm going to ask for additional evidentiary support.

(October 29, 2014 at 11:42 am)pocaracas Wrote: I find that the apparent size of the sun, as compared to a basketball, is proof of intelligent design!

The intelligent designer forgot to create the basket for the basket-ball

The earth and moon move into the wrong position (for an eclipse) the vast majority of the time. You're looking at an eclipse and saying the fact that they line up so well is suggestive of a God? What about the other 99% of the time when they don't line up?

(October 29, 2014 at 11:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The earth and moon move into the wrong position (for an eclipse) the vast majority of the time. You're looking at an eclipse and saying the fact that they line up so well is suggestive of a God? What about the other 99% of the time when they don't line up?

shhhhhh!
Don't confuse him!

(October 29, 2014 at 11:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The earth and moon move into the wrong position (for an eclipse) the vast majority of the time. You're looking at an eclipse and saying the fact that they line up so well is suggestive of a God? What about the other 99% of the time when they don't line up?

The sun and moon appear to be the same size in the sky to a human observer virtually 100% of the time.....precision instruments can detect differences of course but I doubt your unaided eye could. Its widely accepted that the sun and moon are basically the same size in our sky. Solar eclipses just make this human observation very apparent. Its the fact that the sun and moon appear to have the same apparent size that is interesting....not the eclipses(although they are very cool to look at).

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(October 29, 2014 at 11:47 am)Stimbo Wrote: Heywood, are you arguing that this apparent precision coinciding with our ability to observe it is a proof of a purposeful design? I ask because you started out by positing a signature on the Moon, then when asked for evidence of similar distinction you've retreated behind an argument from apparent improbability. If you're arguing that all this is interesting, I agree. If you're arguing anything more, I'm going to ask for additional evidentiary support.

I said early on that it is not proof of God but something interesting.

So..because two objects are similar in size...God?