(October 25, 2014 at 1:23 am)Christian Wrote: Shush! Just because Muslims are psychopaths doesn't mean Muslim's are psychopaths!

(October 23, 2014 at 9:08 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: BUT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem is that politicians are infected with political correctness, which leads to non dangerous or less dangerous things being criticized, and far more dangerous topics like religion being protected.

Mystic, there is a saying where I live:

If it looks like a duck
and walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck
it is probably a duck

Now apply that to the murderers and psychopaths wearing Muslim apparel, flags and symbols.

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The mosque is the source of terrorism and the source of the mosque is the Koran.
Read the BACK of it and you will get to the source.

(October 25, 2014 at 8:59 am)professor Wrote: Mystic, there is a saying where I live:

If it looks like a duck
and walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck
it is probably a duck

Now apply that to the murderers and psychopaths wearing Muslim apparel, flags and symbols.

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The mosque is the source of terrorism and the source of the mosque is the Koran.
Read the BACK of it and you will get to the source.

What we should say about the oppression of ISrael then? It means Torah teaches that they treat Palestinians the way they do?

What about US foreign policy? Is that reflective of the Bible? Their nuking of Japan was a reflection of the teaching of Jesus? They supporting coups and putting in dictators like the Shah is all part of the teachings of the Bible?

(October 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 25, 2014 at 8:59 am)professor Wrote: Mystic, there is a saying where I live:

If it looks like a duck
and walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck
it is probably a duck

Now apply that to the murderers and psychopaths wearing Muslim apparel, flags and symbols.

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The mosque is the source of terrorism and the source of the mosque is the Koran.
Read the BACK of it and you will get to the source.

What we should say about the oppression of ISrael then? It means Torah teaches that they treat Palestinians the way they do?

What about US foreign policy? Is that reflective of the Bible? Their nuking of Japan was a reflection of the teaching of Jesus? They supporting coups and putting in dictators like the Shah is all part of the teachings of the Bible?

Let me tell all three of these fucks no one gets a pass. The elephant in the room is RELIGION itself and everyone is fucking too damned busy claiming it is not. Everyone claims to be about "peace" but what they all really mean is if the others would just submit to being house guests or pets.

If religion were the key to peace we would have had it by now. The real key to peace is to get out of a antiquated myth that promotes tribalism, put that shit on the back burner, and accept that no one label is the center of the universe.

Israel does not get a pass either. No I do not expect that population to leave, but their leaders are lying their ass off playing a bait and switch on the one hand claiming the land grabs are a "Blood entitlement" or "race" issue then when you call them on that they claim their religion is much older.

I really don't buy either as an excuse because if "I was here first" was a good argument then why isn't Israel telling America to give the land back to Native Americans?

Bottom line is that region in antiquity three of the biggest myths that continue to this day to divide humanity. What is absurd is that all of them can look at dead myths no one believes in any more but magically they all think time will not take their myths.

The truth is all boarders, religions and god claims will go extinct in the future when our species goes extinct. Maybe if they would put humanity first and not their stupid myths, we could spend all that wasted resources on weapons and put it to good use solving poverty, pollution and climate change problems.

But as long as the fans of Jesus and Allah and Yahweh, stupidly have their petty pissing contest, we will be distracted as a species from solving real problems that affect all of humanity.

I don't buy the moderate Islam line. If Muslims were moderate, we would not be hearing about genital mutilation, honor killings, acid attacks, and religiously motivated gang rapes in Europe.

And I have yet to hear a so-called moderate Muslim state that it is ok for a non-believer to desecrate a Koran. Until they are able to accept that to most people the Koran is just a book, they are extremists. Unfortunately many in the West have decided to defend Muslim extremism instead of liberty.

(October 29, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Christian Wrote: I don't buy the moderate Islam line. If Muslims were moderate, we would not be hearing about genital mutilation, honor killings, acid attacks, and religiously motivated gang rapes in Europe.

And I have yet to hear a so-called moderate Muslim state that it is ok for a non-believer to desecrate a Koran. Until they are able to accept that to most people the Koran is just a book, they are extremists. Unfortunately many in the West have decided to defend Muslim extremism instead of liberty.

If christianity was all moderate, it would have taken care to set shitheads like you straight long before you reached the overconfident blathering end-time idiot stage you are at today.

(October 23, 2014 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ {8}
[Shakir 60:8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَنْ تَوَلَّوْهُمْ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ {9}
[Shakir 60:9] Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}
[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.


إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ مِيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَنْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ أَوْ يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَسَلَّطَهُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ فَلَقَاتَلُوكُمْ ۚ فَإِنِ اعْتَزَلُوكُمْ فَلَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ وَأَلْقَوْا إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَمَ فَمَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلًا {90}
[Shakir 4:90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كُنْتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا {94}
[Shakir 4:94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

وَإِنْ جَنَحُوا لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ {61}
[Shakir 8:61] And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.


وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا {63}
[Shakir 25:63] And the servants of the Beneficent Allah are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.

You forgot that verse that says to kill non believers...

(October 29, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Christian Wrote: I don't buy the moderate Islam line. If Muslims were moderate, we would not be hearing about genital mutilation, honor killings, acid attacks, and religiously motivated gang rapes in Europe.

And I have yet to hear a so-called moderate Muslim state that it is ok for a non-believer to desecrate a Koran. Until they are able to accept that to most people the Koran is just a book, they are extremists. Unfortunately many in the West have decided to defend Muslim extremism instead of liberty.

To most people the Bible is just a book, too.

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(October 29, 2014 at 9:55 pm)Losty Wrote: You forgot that verse that says to kill non believers...

It's not just Muslim extremists who cherry-pick ... nor Muslims in general ... nor religionsts.

(October 29, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Christian Wrote: And I have yet to hear a so-called moderate Muslim state that it is ok for a non-believer to desecrate a Koran.

Christian states did exactly the same thing. Because religious beliefs and politics aren't the same thing, and need to be kept separate for that reason. So that's no reason to condemn Islam.