(November 11, 2014 at 1:53 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Standard debate of this subject, Atheism vs Theism.


Theist- AAAAHAHAHAHA the atheist believes something comes from nothing. Ludicrous ridiculous impossible illogical

Atheist So how did god make the universe.

Theist He made it from nothing.

Theism pretty much requires that its adherents completely lack self awareness about the basic beliefs of theism. You can't spot a contradiction in a belief you're commanded never to investigate or question.

(November 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Theism pretty much requires that its adherents completely lack self awareness about the basic beliefs of theism. You can't spot a contradiction in a belief you're commanded never to investigate or question.

Yet you're supposed to read the bible. I'm always amazed how that works without asking the obvious questions.

Take three jillion tons of of hydrogen and helium and compress to a singularity.

Warm in a hot glow for eons.

Let pot spew everywhere when it boils over. Stir contents occasionally to get those pretty little spiral galaxies.

Cool and serve. Feeds eight.

(November 11, 2014 at 1:40 pm)abaris Wrote: And, if I remember right, at some point he used his breath. What the fuck was he breathing?

That's Genesis 2:7 "Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." It's not that god is breathing air, but that he infuses his clay doll with the breath of life and thus is man created.

Genesis is pretty vague on the creation. It reads like two separate accounts, each of which is incomplete and borrows from various sources. If we assume that the writer is basing his stories on what he can observe, then Genesis 1:1 can be seen to read "in the beginning, god created the ground and the sky." The first story explains that god created everything including the plants and animals, and then created man. The second story inverts this: god creates man first (2:7) then he creates the garden and causes plants to appear (2:8-9). Later on, he creates the animals (2:19) and finally he creates a woman (2:22).

The first writer seems more technically inclined: he wants to outline the steps carefully and is interested in the "how" of things. The second writer is concerned with the "why." His answer: the world was created for man, as was everything in it: plants, animals, and woman. It's probably typical of such ancient cultures to come up with a why/how that tells a good story, rather than a why/how that is accurate and can be tested.

(November 11, 2014 at 2:11 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Theism pretty much requires that its adherents completely lack self awareness about the basic beliefs of theism. You can't spot a contradiction in a belief you're commanded never to investigate or question.

Yet you're supposed to read the bible. I'm always amazed how that works without asking the obvious questions.

For a long time, you weren't supposed to. The catholic church had latin mass, there were no bible translations into the common tongue, and they edited catechisms which would interpret for you what to think about it all. That changed with lutheranism and protestantism of course, but it's a later add on afaik.

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(November 11, 2014 at 1:02 pm)Cato Wrote: He spoke everything into existence, duh!

I believe the technical term is "poofed". He poofed it into existence.

(November 11, 2014 at 6:21 pm)Alex K Wrote: For a long time, you weren't supposed to. The catholic church had latin mass, there were no bible translations into the common tongue, and they edited catechisms which would interpret for you what to think about it all. That changed with lutheranism and protestantism of course, but it's a later add on afaik.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

But todays evangelicals have no excuse.

"Poofing" is not an acceptable answer. What did he poof? How did he poof? What did this poofing consist of? Did he just do jazz hands? How did it happen?

(November 11, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Natachan Wrote: "Poofing" is not an acceptable answer. What did he poof? How did he poof? What did this poofing consist of? Did he just do jazz hands? How did it happen?

Maybe not the answer a christian would give, but considering all the options, since he's basically living in a vaccuum, the only relatively closed system must have been his own body. So, I'm not exactly sure about the scientific facts here, but a fart seems the most plausible method to me.

(November 11, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Natachan Wrote: "Poofing" is not an acceptable answer. What did he poof? How did he poof? What did this poofing consist of? Did he just do jazz hands? How did it happen?

Instead of "poof" can we use our own sound effects?

"Blatt!" sounds better.

(November 11, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Beccs Wrote: Instead of "poof" can we use our own sound effects?

"Blatt!" sounds better.

Or "splatter".