(November 17, 2014 at 9:51 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 17, 2014 at 9:45 am)Drich Wrote: I think your looking at the Hell thing through the lenses of Catholisim.

Utlimatly if you strip Hell down to it's core principle, it is eternal seperation from God. Because where in creation can one go to escape an omnipresent God? The Absents of God is the defination of Hell.

So why does anyone need be seperated from God? Because it is clear just from this website not everyone want to be with Him. So again if you spend a life time trying to seperat yourself from God how can a Just God force you to spend an eternity with Him?

Hell does not exist in Sunnis or Shiites or Baptists either. You are not threatened by other religions claims of hell so we don't care what details you argue about which version of hell exists and does not. It is like arguing which bad guy is real "Lex Luther" vs "Darth Vader".


Heaven and Hell, and Allah or Yahweh or Jesus, are all kaleidoscope reflections of humans desires based on our species evolution of gap filling because of false perceptions.

Not my thread sport.

I was simply speaking to the OP.

If you dont want to read about lex or vader then maybe you should stay away from threads that speak about which ever lex or vader puts you in a tail spin.

(November 17, 2014 at 9:45 am)Drich Wrote: I think your looking at the Hell thing through the lenses of Catholisim.

Why yours and not theirs? There are more Catholics, and none of you can actually prove yourselves more correct than the others.

(November 17, 2014 at 9:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(November 16, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Punishment can take on two forms. There is the kind that a parent might administer to a naughty child in order to teach them right from wrong and help them grow into a better person, and the kind that a parent might administer to a naughty child mostly because they are stupid and brutal people who can only soothe their own crippling emotional flaws by physically beating people who are too small to fight back.

The Abrahamic religions seem to take the view that there is no such thing as an unjust punishment, because the person who makes the rules cannot, by definition, break any rules. That is why I am curious to get the opinion of a follower or two, what is the justice in eternal punishment? When a person is dead and goes into the afterlife, what is the material (or immaterial) gain of subjecting that person to an eternity of misery and horror in revenge for whatever acts that allegedly justify it?

If there is no good here, and it is just revenge for the sake of revenge, if God is inflicting pain and anguish just because he got pissed off, how can this possibly be justified as anything other than the most petty and brutal sort of revenge?

I think your looking at the Hell thing through the lenses of Catholisim.

Utlimatly if you strip Hell down to it's core principle, it is eternal seperation from God. Because where in creation can one go to escape an omnipresent God? The Absents of God is the defination of Hell.

So why does anyone need be seperated from God? Because it is clear just from this website not everyone want to be with Him. So again if you spend a life time trying to seperat yourself from God how can a Just God force you to spend an eternity with Him?

You can`t choose to be with an imaginary friend, you cannot become schizophrenic, either you are or you`re not.

(November 17, 2014 at 10:15 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(November 17, 2014 at 9:45 am)Drich Wrote: I think your looking at the Hell thing through the lenses of Catholisim.

Why yours and not theirs? There are more Catholics, and none of you can actually prove yourselves more correct than the others.

Where can knoweledge of Hell be sourced? Only the bible can provide such knowledge/or verify it. The catholic version of hell has it's roots in various religions it has assimilated over the centuries. The biblical version is not so elobrate, with different levels of hell and or puratory where the devil rules the realm. All those elements were borrowed from the greeks, pagans and roman mythology.

If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.

(November 17, 2014 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote: If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.

Or the older mythology it is based on.

By the way, the Catholic doctrine also has abolished the eternal fire part.

Quote: The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

(November 17, 2014 at 10:26 am)abaris Wrote:

(November 17, 2014 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote: If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.

Or the older mythology it is based on.

By the way, the Catholic doctrine also has abolished the eternal fire part.

Quote: The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

Because hell was just a thing that was added for control.

(November 17, 2014 at 10:15 am)Drich Wrote:

(November 17, 2014 at 9:51 am)Brian37 Wrote: Hell does not exist in Sunnis or Shiites or Baptists either. You are not threatened by other religions claims of hell so we don't care what details you argue about which version of hell exists and does not. It is like arguing which bad guy is real "Lex Luther" vs "Darth Vader".


Heaven and Hell, and Allah or Yahweh or Jesus, are all kaleidoscope reflections of humans desires based on our species evolution of gap filling because of false perceptions.

Not my thread sport.

I was simply speaking to the OP.

If you dont want to read about lex or vader then maybe you should stay away from threads that speak about which ever lex or vader puts you in a tail spin.

I will speak to whatever I want.

You are the one with the god claim. You are the one who believes in a heaven and hell, not me. You are reacting to to my criticisms of the concepts of such things. Wouldn't be too hard to quell those with that pesky think called "evidence", that neither you or anyone in human history have.

The Ancient Egyptians had a concept of an afterlife too, but you rightfully reject that myth that is now dead. You simply do not like me making the parallels.

One could start a brand new religion and make new claims about a reward/punishment motif, and market it to gullible people and have it grow to be believed to be true. Mormons have their own hokey afterlife claims too. Do you believe you are going to get your own planet after you die? Do you believe that Joseph Smith is going to sit next to Jesus and judge you after you die? Do you believe that Osirus and Horus are going to judge you after you die?

No? Good, I would hope you do rightfully reject those absurd claims. Now exactly how is your desire for a utopia after you die, and the promise of reward after you die, any more real than the other utopia motifs claimed in human history any more real?

What would be so frightening about accepting your finite existence? Is your pre birth non existence frightening? You are not frightened by a pre birth Allah existence. You are not frightened by pre Karma prior lives some claim. So exactly why should I be frightened by your claims of hell that you think are true?

Because Brian, an old fairytale says so.

And it`s very popular, so it must be true.

Just like the Da Vinci Code. And The Wizard of Oz.

(November 17, 2014 at 9:45 am)Drich Wrote: The Absents of God is the defination of Hell.

So basically it will be like living on Earth because I sure haven't seen any sky daddy in the 45 years I've been alive.

(November 17, 2014 at 10:47 am)Piscinin Wrote: Because Brian, an old fairytale says so.

And it`s very popular, so it must be true.

Just like the Da Vinci Code. And The Wizard of Oz.

That is the part Drich does not get, but that is also what most humans do not get. Drich is not alone. Utopias are very appealing ideas to humans. So much so that idealism produces religion and utopia political parties as well and to very damaging degrees as history shows us. It upsets believers that you burst their bubbles.

Humans do not want to face their finite existence. The rich make excuses to become richer for example, forgetting that they meet the same fate as the poor. Most humans don't want to think as their club as being as vulnerable to extinction as the dinosaurs which we are. Most humans don't want to accept that our planet will die and our sun as well, and that the universe will continue on with no record or care that we existed. That reality gives them no comfort. The wise face it, not to create an eternity, but face it so we can pragmatically extend our finite ride.

Drich is doing what most humans do, allowing their flawed perceptions to create placebos and false comfort.