Welcome to AF, Dave! Can I call you Dave?

Bring it on Dave! Welcome aboard

http://youtu.be/rtDAK7Umk7A

Dave, here's to you presenting something I haven't heard before. Doubt it, but man, there's always hope!

(November 22, 2014 at 6:36 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(November 22, 2014 at 6:13 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'd like to know too, but this really isn't the place for that.

Right. I've discussed them on many other threads. I'm just saying hi to an fellow former atheist who appears to have also been convinced by reason applied to experience.

How sweet! A meeting of allegedly former atheists! It's like watching unicorns fuck.

(November 22, 2014 at 2:30 pm)YouCanCallMeDave Wrote:

(November 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: 'objective scientific evidence'

Can't tell you how long people have been waiting for this.

THANK YOU.

Really looking forward to seeing it.

Welcome

Thanks for the welcome. People have had the basic scientific evidence for our personal theistic Creator ever since they were about 5-7 years old and started inquiring about it to their Parents ; its a shame that as we got older we somehow got brainwashed by the many competing absurd unproven speculations masquerading as 'science' to help bolster our willful disdain toward God because hes such a kill joy to our hedonistic agendas.

Wow. Call me emotionally sensitive but this right here is completely offensive and perfectly opposite to what the reality of most of our lives had become. I won't speak for anyone else, but growing up I was surrounded by all but one atheist who everyone hated and the only time the word "atheist" was mentioned was when you were either in disdain, disgust, or perpetuating Christian propaganda.

I know I'm trying to stay clear of people who think like this because honestly, I should have better things to do, but if I cross one of your threads on another thread where it is not mandated that I be polite to you...I'mma throw it down.

But in your favor, we can agree that in the site of your creator, some men were not created with equal intellect.

There's one thing to fundamentally disagree with someone, and another to assert that you know one's life and circumstance. You sir have lost your footing.

Welcome, but "et al." means "and others", your use of the phrase was incorrect.

(November 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Well, right now im having a cup of coffee at my favorite Starbucks. Other than that, im hoping to weed out the approx. 1% of Atheists in this Forum who are genuine qualified Seekers for a personal dialogue with by using this Pre-Qualifier :

Hello, and thank you for your consideration of completing the following QUALIFICATION TEST FOR ATHEISTS to determine if you are worthy of receiving the scientific evidences for our personal theistic Creator (God) and objective (non circular) historical evidences for Jesus Christ including his resurrection thereby proving his authenticity as the Son of God .




You may ask why all the hoopla just go get the evidence ? As a lover of Gods Word which says :" Don't throw pearls before swine " ... meaning don't waste your time giving the truth to people who don't want it really because theyd rather maintain their own apriori-commitment to their religion of Humanism because it offers maximized indulgence in any and all Lifestyles desired . So, unless you as an Atheist truly have the desire for truth backed up by being willing to completely surrender your life to where the truth leads (which precious few atheists are ever willing to do)...then there is no good reason for myself to partake in lessons of futility which I have already learned several times over from the past.




So, if you are still willing to move forward, please answer the following as honestly, truthfully, factually, cogently, and succinctly as you possibly can . Upon review of your answers, I shall advise you the outcome . Thank you.




1. How did you come to want to believe in an atheistic worldview / origins which traditionally has Materialism and Naturalism being responsible for such NON-material entities such as freewill, personality, reason, logic, discernment , abstract thinking, et al... when it is absurd to have such non material realities coming from atoms ?




2. When you closely and diligently examine the Human Anatomy , what is it about that which looks like the product of mindless, random, chaotic , accidents upon compilations of accidents void of any intelligent design and input ?




3. If you believe the Universe or the Human Anatomy could be created better (since you believe its just the random product of atoms and forces without any intelligent design)....how would YOU make it better than what it is ? And do you believe you could make it better without applying any personal interjection of any kind since the present Universe 'wasn't personally brought about' according to you ?




4. Do you believe it is possible to determine when something requires a personal Designer/Creator for something down here on earth even if you never see or meet such a Designer / Creator ? What criteria would you require for admitting something took a Mind behind the construction of something --- how does something that is intelligently designed look to you when you see it ? What are some of its attributes ?




5. Why don't you think Intelligent Design should be taught in public schools across the nation (world) since there are tons of examples of intelligent designed things here on earth which aren't religious oriented or motivated ? Science is based on natural AND intelligent causes and the discovery thereof, so, why not bring both to the classroom and let the Student decide which cause is more likely for the Universe and other related things ?




6. Do you believe you have a dark side to your personality/character which is universally called Sin ? Do you feel disgusted with the self serving agendas that may have become part of your ongoing life which might include the using of others for your temporary gain or enjoyment or doing things which you know are wrong yet you do them anyways ? Do you see something within yourself that is highly narcissistic and could you point to something in your life which would be rightly called lowlife living (immoral, unethical behavior , etc...) with an accompanying attitude of not caring in the least ? If so, what do u attribute this chosen lifestyle - attitude toward , and, how do you justify doing it ?




7. Are you 'an Atheist' because you don't see any evidence in the least for a personal theistic Creator, or, are you an 'Atheist' because you desire to be your own 'god' calling your own shots in life..... as my 71 year old 'Atheist' friend, Helen, admitted to me (verbatim) lately after 20 minutes of dialogue about God at a local Starbucks ?




8. If you were convinced beyond any doubt that a personal theistic Creator is absolutely necessary for the personal, intelligent-based, information-laden entities left over from the Universe coming into existence .... WHAT would that mean to you / HOW if any would it change your life knowing God would own you and you would be morally responsible to him at a future date --- would it cause you to move closer to him in personal relationship / and if it would make no difference..........WHY would this be your final action ?




9. What bad experience have you had in a Christian Church or in Christian circles ? How has this experienced influenced your desire to be 'an Atheist' ?




10 . Which Sources have you diligently investigated on the subject of modern scientific evidences for a personal theistic Creator (God) , that has led you to believe 'there just isn't any evidence' ? Please list 3 or 4 Sources which was part of your sincere investigation .




Thanks much for your time . Ill get back with you soon . Dave