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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 7:54 pm
Due to Yahweh's priorities, Hitler is more likely to get into heaven than Anne Frank. It's more about who you know than what you do. If Hitler isn't in heaven, it's more likely because he committed suicide than because of the concentration camps.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 8:10 pm
I picture a scenario in which Yahweh spends its days pronouncing condemnation on all the souls at the gates, declaiming "None shall enter my kingdom who does not match up to my standards! All have fallen short and must be cast down!"
Then it sits twiddling its thimbs at night, complaining about being so lonely...
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 8:15 pm
(November 29, 2014 at 8:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Then it sits twiddling its thimbs at night, complaining about being so lonely...
As long as it's not twiddling another body part while watching the eternal torturing going on in the basement.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 8:17 pm
Well there's that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 9:51 pm
(November 29, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Due to Yahweh's priorities, Hitler is more likely to get into heaven than Anne Frank. It's more about who you know than what you do. If Hitler isn't in heaven, it's more likely because he committed suicide than because of the concentration camps.
If you really believe that you're as sick as Hitler.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Anyone else want to call the first round of this godwin-off? I'm conflicted.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 9:58 pm
The bible makes it pretty clear that belief in Jesus supersedes everything else, and Hitler was a professed catholic. What he did, he believed he did for the greater good, which is more of an excuse than people like Jeffrey Dahmer had, who incidentally converted on death row and is in heaven right now. Whereas Anne Frank was a jew, and likely didn't believe in Jesus, so she gets sent to hell. After she got sent through hell in the concentration camp.
That's the problem when you place a higher priority on who someone woprships, than what they do with their life. Good deeds are like filthy rags, and bad deeds can be forgiven as long as you pray to the correct deity.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 11:11 pm
(November 29, 2014 at 2:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hell is not a place of disciplinary action, that would require a release from said punishment, there will be no release from hell. Do you understand it's the individual that chooses his/her place in eternity, God gives one what choice one has made in this life. Where in that does choice come into play?
"Worship me or burn in hell forever" That is coercion. Same thing Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan and many others use to produce 'loyal' subjects.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 29, 2014 at 11:13 pm
(November 29, 2014 at 11:11 pm)IATIA Wrote: (November 29, 2014 at 2:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hell is not a place of disciplinary action, that would require a release from said punishment, there will be no release from hell. Do you understand it's the individual that chooses his/her place in eternity, God gives one what choice one has made in this life. Where in that does choice come into play?
"Worship me or burn in hell forever" That is coercion. Same thing Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan and many others use to produce 'loyal' subjects.
Considering the times it isn't surprising. If you think about iron age bogey men you can expect bad dreams.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 30, 2014 at 9:26 am
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Quote:If you really believe that...
It's right there in the Bible. In Genesis Jehovah unambiguously sets up the rules of racial purity for his chosen people and promises them the lands of seven other tribes. What does that mean for the tribes? Only enslavement or annihilation since there are aformentioned racial conduct rules which do not allow assimilation. Racial purity + racial superiority (chosen people are allowed and encouraged to con and smite the 'untermensch') + aggressive expansionalism (claiming the lands of seven tribes). Sounds familiar.
Sugar-coating the the Bible (or any other scripture) with any kind apologetics is pointless if you try to convince someone who have read the text with an ideologically-neutral reasonable attitude.
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