I was raised Catholic, but the only thing that makes me think that it might be true are the miracles. I would like to dispel that doubt. I have researched them, and Catholics have the strongest case for miracles of any religion. They have thousands of saints, and each saint can be tied to numerous miracles before and after death. Here is more information:

http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-a...-miracles/

http://www.miraclesofthechurch.com/

There are thousands more than those listed. Other religions don't have this many or this level of validity. What am I missing?

You should be smelling the bullshit. Perhaps you have a head cold?

Failing that, get hold of Candida Moss' The Myth of Persecution and find out all about these fucking saints and their miracles.

It's a lucrative scam for the biggest bunch of criminals mankind has produced.

Evidence of actual miracles.

Or to put it more plainly, but with more verbiage, the more implausible an event, the more evidence is required to prove it actually happened.

1. I had beef for dinner tonight (probably most people will believe it just on my say-so).

2. I won the Nobel Prize. ---At a minimum you're going to want to look this one up.

3. I have a cure diabetes. --- If you have any sense you are going to want to see the clinical trials.

4. There is a dragon in my basement. --- Photos, videos, and an some eyewitnesses minimum.

5. Miracle. --- Repeated clinical tests, minimum.

What we tend to get? Credulous eyewitnesses to things a magician might do on stage usually told third hand four centuries ago.

(December 6, 2014 at 11:01 pm)beatlesman Wrote: I was raised Catholic, but the only thing that makes me think that it might be true are the miracles. I would like to dispel that doubt. I have researched them, and Catholics have the strongest case for miracles of any religion. They have thousands of saints, and each saint can be tied to numerous miracles before and after death. Here is more information:

http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-a...-miracles/

http://www.miraclesofthechurch.com/

There are thousands more than those listed. Other religions don't have this many or this level of validity. What am I missing?

I haven't clicked on the links, but I'm willing to bet that there's nothing miraculous on there but probably rather lies and unsubstantiated claims.

There has never, ever been one single substantiated miracle, or any evidence one ever occurred. I think that about covers it

It depends on what you call a miracle anyway. Some people will call almost anything a fucking miracle.

And... Ok atheist experience time again. Even if someone can produce, under test conditions, a miracle, that is an event which has no current natural explanation, then all you have is an unexplained phenomon. The next thing would be to investigate the cause. Just because someone apparently caused the event, they don't get to make up an explanation, unless they can demonstrate that explanation is true. And at that point, it's not a miracle no more is it?

An analogy, I do a seemingly impossible card trick. You think it literally can't be done, it's so amazing. I tell you I teleported a card. Does that mean I actually teleported a card?

Tens of Thousands of Americans claim to have been abducted by Aliens.

Therefore Aliens???

Yes. Why would they lie? Can you prove they weren't? That many people can't be wrong. How else would they know what an alien ship looks like? Were you there? You just don't want to believe in aliens. Why do you hate aliens?

I have a comic book that says aliens exist. Thats all I need!

(December 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's a lucrative scam for the biggest bunch of criminals mankind has produced.

And let's not forget the lucrative relics trade. That's how mankind came into possession of 17 arms of the same saint and if we count the churches claiming to own pieces of Jesus's foreskin, he must have had a cock scraping the stratosphere.

Let's also not forget, that all these so called miracles have been validated by the clergy. And even now there are halfwits claiming to see Jesus in birdshit splashed on the window screen.



Oh, it's a miracle. That bird shat Jesus all over my car. Maybe it was the holy ghost dropping a load.

Wow that's amazing, a being with no limit to its power communicating in shit patterns. How did I miss that?

What's the message meant to be? If anything it sounds like a cry for help. I'm trapped and this is the only way I can communicate! Get me out of here, help!