Anybody can be racist. And everyone or almost everyone is subconsciously racist.

(December 6, 2014 at 6:36 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 5:46 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Oh, I got the sarcasm part.

Hohoho. Merry Christmas.

Supposedly we're all a little about racist.

Or is it gay? well, whatever. One of them.

So, I'm thinking you missed my point.

eta: That's not sarcasm.

(December 7, 2014 at 1:13 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: The Southern strategy doesn't have anything to do with the Klan specifically. I wasn't being dishonest, only brief. I didn't think that the overly simplistic opening question really deserved a lengthy discussion. I actually thought about mentioning how things the racists in the south largely either went over the Republicans or dropped the racism from their platform (Ala former Klan member Democrat Robert Byrd, who kept his other political beliefs and dropped the racism) Many politicians in both parties post 1964 dropped the racism from their platform because they had a black contingency to deal with. However the people from both parties from that era are almost universally dead. If we start discounting history when exactly is the cutoff? When the people you like stopped openly being racist?

Dude, you are really indulging in sophistry here. We're discussing the Republican Party as it exists today. You are bringing up history from the time before I was even born! And I'm hardly a youngster. I'm in my mid-40s for Reason's sake!

"Oh yeah, well what about the Democrats prior to 1965?" is a red herring evasion tactic and someone as smart as you must surely know that.

My mention of history, and I used examples like Clinton and W Bush which are fairly recent, is to put in context the psychotic, abusive and sabotaging GOP behavior and how there is no precedent for it. This historical context is relevant to determine if there is a racial motive in the GOP's radical behavior.

Tell you what, since you asked for a rule on the historical cutoff. How about we stick to what most of us can remember instead of what we have read in history books?

Quote:Also what about Black or Lation racists?

Irrelevant. This is a Tu Quoque evasion of the topic.

Quote:Or are white racists the only real racists?

Because white racists are the only racists who have any impact on our society.

When black cops are killing young white unarmed teens in the street and getting let off the hook...
When Latino congressmen are disrupting a white president's SOTU address by screaming "you lie!" in the middle of it, who are then hailed as some kind of hero by their base...
When Asian Democrats are shutting down the government and threatening to default on our nation's bills because they're going insane over a white president being elected...
When White Canadian children, fleeing for their lives from drug lords and rape gangs and trying to find sanctuary in America, only to be met by crowds of blacks and Latinos at the border screaming for these "invaders" to be sent back...

...when these things are happening, I'll be delighted to discuss black, Latino and other racists. Until then, this is an "oh yeah" Tu Quoque/Red Herring evasion tactic.

Quote:The southern strategy is dead and there is near universal acceptance of the civil rights act by Republicans.

How's the scenery on the alternate planet on which you are living?

Have you paid any attention to the news since the Supreme Court struck down the Voting Rights Act? Have you noticed how many states are creating new restrictions on voting that seem to target poor and minority voters? This is Jim Crow but wearing a fig leaf of "guarding against the non-existent problem of voter fraud".

Quote:At best I think the most fair thing to say is that there are more (maybe even far more) white racists in the Republican party than the Democratic party. That is obviously true, but that isn't what was being said in this thread or what I was replying to. What was being said was a ridiculous blanket statement and that was what I replying to.

The issue that needs to be discussed is not so much whether every Republican is racist (that's a blanked statement and I agree I wouldn't support that) but whether the policies and rhetoric that drive the GOP are racist.

I have pointed out the psychotic nature of the GOP today, how it treats our president and how it's sabotaging the political process. I have underscored this point by showing how this treatment of a fairly centrist president is unique in our history. So here's my question for you: Why is that? What is the cause if it is not racism?

(December 7, 2014 at 2:01 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: The issue that needs to be discussed is not so much whether every Republican is racist (that's a blanked statement and I agree I wouldn't support that) but whether the policies and rhetoric that drive the GOP are racist.

I have pointed out the psychotic nature of the GOP today, how it treats our president and how it's sabotaging the political process. I have underscored this point by showing how this treatment of a fairly centrist president is unique in our history. So here's my question for you: Why is that? What is the cause if it is not racism?

Well my base argument would be that the treatment that Obama gets is not worse than the treatment that Clinton got, or worse than the treatment that Bush got. I mean how many times did Bush get compared to Hitler by liberals? Countless. The opposition always crucifies the opposing president. Whatever president is in power is always thought of as the worst of all time. Conservatives today say that Obama is the worst of all time. Democrats said that Bush was the worst of all time (I wouldn't be surprised if you agreed) Before that Clinton was the worst of all time and before that Reagan was the worst of all time. I am failed to be convinced that Obama is treated any worse than anyone else, or that he is treated so because of his race. I just don't find your case convincing considering that my political memory spans longer than just the last election cycle.

Edit: Of course I know that you probably wouldn't support such a blanket statement as was made in the opening post. If this were a thread started by you my arguments I'm sure it would be way more nuanced. However I can just reply to what was original posted. Honestly this discussion is far more interesting.

(December 7, 2014 at 1:28 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 6:36 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Hohoho. Merry Christmas.

Supposedly we're all a little about racist.

Or is it gay? well, whatever. One of them.

So, I'm thinking you missed my point.

eta: That's not sarcasm.

And gosh darn it I'm gonna keep on missing it! Even if it kills me!

Come on thump, I stated that I wasn't responding to this seriously. Responding to me seriously is only going to garner even less serious responses. As to what you initially said to me, yes, I completely agree. That you felt you needed to explain that to me, someone who has lectured in political science and is/was doing a politics PhD (apart of which includes discourse on racial, cultural and economic segregation within inner city constituencies following on frommpost war immigration in the 50s here in the UK) makes me feel like you never really loved me at all.

(December 7, 2014 at 2:01 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I have pointed out the psychotic nature of the GOP today, how it treats our president and how it's sabotaging the political process. I have underscored this point by showing how this treatment of a fairly centrist president is unique in our history. So here's my question for you: Why is that? What is the cause if it is not racism?

The only psychotics are far-left goof balls like you and Min who imagine a racist conspiracy around every corner and under every tree. You sure are naive for someone who thinks himself to be smarter than everyone else. We oppose barack obama because he sucks at his job, not because he's black. I'm sure that if Allen West or Ben Carson were to run for president you and Min and other far-left cabbage heads would be first in line at the polls to cast your votes for them just to prove that there's no far-left racist conspiracies.

BTW: another democrat bites the dust. Mary Landrieu lost her Senate bid for re-election in Louisiana's run off election.

(December 7, 2014 at 6:05 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 1:28 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: So, I'm thinking you missed my point.

eta: That's not sarcasm.

And gosh darn it I'm gonna keep on missing it! Even if it kills me!

Come on thump, I stated that I wasn't responding to this seriously. Responding to me seriously is only going to garner even less serious responses. As to what you initially said to me, yes, I completely agree. That you felt you needed to explain that to me, someone who has lectured in political science and is/was doing a politics PhD (apart of which includes discourse on racial, cultural and economic segregation within inner city constituencies following on frommpost war immigration in the 50s here in the UK) makes me feel like you never really loved me at all.

Well, you've never put out.

Yeah but "a theist" nobody's talking about "just" Obama or the executive office were talking in general. If you're only argument is that Democrats would oppose a Republican even if he was black, then that's true we would.

And I could say that proves Democrats are not "anti-white" as Republicans and kkk like too say.

But anyway were talking about everyone in the Republican party and those who vote republican, not just the elected ones who yell at the president like spoiled children

(December 7, 2014 at 12:35 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 6:05 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: And gosh darn it I'm gonna keep on missing it! Even if it kills me!

Come on thump, I stated that I wasn't responding to this seriously. Responding to me seriously is only going to garner even less serious responses. As to what you initially said to me, yes, I completely agree. That you felt you needed to explain that to me, someone who has lectured in political science and is/was doing a politics PhD (apart of which includes discourse on racial, cultural and economic segregation within inner city constituencies following on frommpost war immigration in the 50s here in the UK) makes me feel like you never really loved me at all.

Well, you've never put out.

made me lol

I'm just going to make this it's own post so it's harder to ignore: Not just white people are racists. Do people really think that black or Latino racists are republicans?