An individual's word is always mere hearsay without the evidence to back up those words.

(December 7, 2014 at 9:32 pm)Losty Wrote: My OBGYN told me to have a hysterectomy because I had severe endometriosis. I asked for evidence. Turned out my problems were actually complications from an undiagnosed pregnancy. I will take the word of an expert who can show me evidence or tell me how s/he knows. Aren't you a Christian, Huggy? You should probably stop having so much faith in doctors lest your god get jealous.

Wait a minute. Am I supposed to take YOUR word without any evidence?

In all seriousness, what were talking about is a doctor being able to determine if a person is dead or not. The evidence shows the patient was no breathing and did not have a pulse, therefore was "clinically" dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death

Quote:Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain human and many other organisms' lives.

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(December 7, 2014 at 9:32 pm)Losty Wrote: No doctor would ever claim to be infallible. That's why they make you sign waivers saying you won't sue them if they mess up.

That's not what I'm saying, what I mean is a doctors claims are heavily scrutinized by his peers and therefore wouldn't put his career in jeopardy with claims based on no evidence.

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(December 7, 2014 at 9:39 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: An individual's word is always mere hearsay without the evidence to back up those words.

So according to you, losty's OBGYN story was just "mere hearsay"? Acknowledged.

I think you need to look up the definition of "hearsay" because I don't think that word means what you think it means.

No of course I don't expect you to take my word without evidence. I was just giving an example of how doctors can be wrong. I'm not going to provide evidence because you're a stranger and my medical records are private :p

Anyways, right clinical death. How long can a person truly survive without a heartbeat or breathing? I don't know the answer to that. If she was really dead, then I don't get how she could have had any experiences considering that she was dead...

(December 7, 2014 at 11:04 pm)Losty Wrote: If she was really dead, then I don't get how she could have had any experiences considering that she was dead...

Or it could be that your concept of what happens when a person dies is wrong.

Or yours, Huggy.

(December 8, 2014 at 10:27 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Or yours, Huggy.

There is plenty of evidence for life after death. If you believe that life after death doesn't exist, provide your evidence.

(December 8, 2014 at 11:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 10:27 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Or yours, Huggy.

There is plenty of evidence for life after death.

Some people claim there is evidence for the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot too.

Quote: If you believe that life after death doesn't exist, provide your evidence.

A cemetery.

(December 8, 2014 at 11:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 10:27 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Or yours, Huggy.

There is plenty of evidence for life after death. If you believe that life after death doesn't exist, provide your evidence.

There's plenty of evidence for life after death? Like....?

(December 8, 2014 at 11:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote: There is plenty of evidence for life after death.

Is there?
Please present some of that evidence, or llink to it.
In all my life, I haven't come across it, can you believe it?

There is noooooooooo evidence for life after death.

No actual evidence. Proper, testable evidence. No.

Feel free to prove us wrong. Some whacky nonsene anecdote is not evidence. Some crackpot writing rubbish is not evidence. If you got more, I'd love to hear it