There is no absolute standard for declaring someone dead anyway. We don't understand enough about what it means to be dead. So someone declared dead isn't automatically actually dead.

(December 8, 2014 at 1:58 pm)robvalue Wrote: There is no absolute standard for declaring someone dead anyway. We don't understand enough about what it means to be dead. So someone declared dead isn't automatically actually dead.

Where did you receive your medical degree again?

When did you receive your degree in determining which NDE's are 'actually' NDE's?

(December 8, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 12:58 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Wow..I didn't think he'd go straight to something as asinine as "people saw beings in an NDE".

This is according to the story from abc news, which apparently you didn't bother reading.

Quote: Graupera-Cassimiro then stopped breathing. Doctors tried for three hours to revive her but it was no use. She had no pulse for 45 minutes.

During that time, she said she felt herself floating along a tunnel.

"I remember seeing a spiritual being who I believe was my dad," Graupera-Cassimiro said. "I remember the light behind him and many other spiritual beings."

But suddenly a "force" stopped her, and she said she knew she couldn't go any further.

Her heart started beating again on its own even though doctors hadn't touched her in several minutes, Chakurda said.

I'm open to any evidence you have to debunk this account.

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Ps. iirc NDE stands for near death experience. Probably referred to as NDE instead of DDE for a reason. People cannot recount during death experiences...because they're dead...

(December 8, 2014 at 2:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: When did you receive your degree in determining which NDE's are 'actually' NDE's?

There is usually proof of the person being clinically dead before their experience is acknowledged as an NDE.

(December 8, 2014 at 1:57 pm)Thackerie Wrote: Medical professionals mistakenly declaring people dead must happen a lot, since there's a name for at least one way it happens. From wiki: "Lazarus syndrome or autoresuscitation after failed cardiopulmonary resuscitation is the spontaneous return of circulation after failed attempts at resuscitation. Its occurrence has been noted in medical literature at least 38 times since 1982."

Two questions.
1. Do you know how many people die (ya know like actually for real) each day?
Around 150,000
2. Do you know how many years there are between 1982 and 2014?
32

There are 365 days in a year.

So you're saying
38/1,752,000,000 is a large amount?

Usually? So it's not a requirement?

(December 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: When did you receive your degree in determining which NDE's are 'actually' NDE's?

There is usually proof of the person being clinically dead before their experience is acknowledged as an NDE.

What about proof of the experience?

(December 8, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Losty Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: There is usually proof of the person being clinically dead before their experience is acknowledged as an NDE.

What about proof of the experience?

The proof is that many cases involve the patient hovering over their body and observing medical personnel working on them, and can recount the exact events that took place in the emergency room during clinical death, despite not having any brain activity.

(December 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The proof is that many cases involve the patient hovering over their body and observing medical personnel working on them, and can recount the exact events that took place in the emergency room during clinical death, despite not having any brain activity.

Same shit, different day. Look up the links posted in the "If" thread to see the scientific take on NDEs.