(December 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Losty Wrote: What about proof of the experience?

The proof is that many cases involve the patient hovering over their body and observing medical personnel working on them, and can recount the exact events that took place in the emergency room during clinical death, despite not having any brain activity.

I've read many claims of that.

Yet to experience it at all.

(December 8, 2014 at 2:53 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The proof is that many cases involve the patient hovering over their body and observing medical personnel working on them, and can recount the exact events that took place in the emergency room during clinical death, despite not having any brain activity.

Same shit, different day. Look up the links posted in the "If" thread to see the scientific take on NDEs.

In order to be considered scientific, they would have had to been tested. Feel free to post any test concerning NDE's.

(December 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Losty Wrote: What about proof of the experience?

The proof is that many cases involve the patient hovering over their body and observing medical personnel working on them, and can recount the exact events that took place in the emergency room during clinical death, despite not having any brain activity.

Ugh, this painfully stupid.. What about all the people who don't have these sorts of NDE's, what about the people (nearly all of them) whose NDE's are wrong or mistaken about the events in reality surrounding them, what about all the people who use NDE's as evidence for their faith?

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(December 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:53 pm)abaris Wrote: Same shit, different day. Look up the links posted in the "If" thread to see the scientific take on NDEs.

In order to be considered scientific, they would have had to been tested. Feel free to post any test concerning NDE's.

Hahaha, you're the one making the claim bub, how about you provide some evidence in the form of a scientific study?

(December 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:53 pm)abaris Wrote: Same shit, different day. Look up the links posted in the "If" thread to see the scientific take on NDEs.

In order to be considered scientific, they would have had to been tested. Feel free to post any test concerning NDE's.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...ear-death/

Making us disprove your claims is like asking you to disprove the claims of UFO "abductees".

Burden of proof isn't on us.

(December 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: In order to be considered scientific, they would have had to been tested. Feel free to post any test concerning NDE's.

Hahaha, you're the one making the claim bub, how about you provide some evidence in the form of a scientific study?
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Abris stated that there is a "scientific" take on NDE's. In order for data to be considered scientific, it must be tested.

I already posted my evidence, never said it was scientific. Now, if you have scientific data that debunks NDE's, then post it.

(December 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: In order to be considered scientific, they would have had to been tested. Feel free to post any test concerning NDE's.

I just pointed you to the links in the IF thread. The tests have been already posted. You just have to look - over there, if it isn't too much of an effort.

"Debunking" an NDE is not possible, as we can't ever go inside someone's head to see what they saw. What can be addressed is whether or not these NDE's are accurate about their depictions of reality (notably the "disembodied spirit in the room" thing), or if the experiences are simply a result of oxygen deprivation and strangled neuron firings that produce images and experiences (as all scientific evidence indicates).

You can link all the NDE's you want, you still haven't made the link between people experiencing them and making claims about reality (i.e. "There is an afterlife").

How can you prove someone is dead?

Think carefully.

Poke them with a stick three times?

What does being dead actually mean? Scientifically.

(December 8, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: In order to be considered scientific, they would have had to been tested. Feel free to post any test concerning NDE's.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...ear-death/

Making us disprove your claims is like asking you to disprove the claims of UFO "abductees".

Burden of proof isn't on us.

And where does your article reference any tests that have been done?

(December 8, 2014 at 3:16 pm)robvalue Wrote: How can you prove someone is dead?

Think carefully.

Poke them with a stick three times?

What does being dead actually mean? Scientifically.

Brain death makes it pretty damned final.