(December 8, 2014 at 4:51 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(December 8, 2014 at 4:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: But those are my personal experiences, in which there would be no point relating them here.

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.

So why in the freaking hell would you use the personal near-death-experiences of other individuals as proof for your conclusions? You're correct, using personal experience to justify your beliefs to others is utterly irrelevant, but not as irrelevant as using the personal experiences of other people.

I'm not using it as proof of anything other than that the phenomenon exists.

Guess you missed where they called Nellis air force base, which would be far better equipped to monitor aircraft flying near its airspace.

SO back when you said that the evidence for the afterlife was the NDE's you linked...


You were..wrong/lying?

(December 8, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Guess you missed where they called Nellis air force base, which would be far better equipped to monitor aircraft flying near its airspace.

No, I didn't miss that. I also didn't miss the fact that the military (especially the Air Force bases in Nevada) aren't known for being exactly forthcoming with the news media. There are a lot of classified prototypes routinely tested over southern Nevada. It's hardly a surprise that they didn't comment/return the call. A civilian airport has perfectly good radar equipment and is in just as good a position to verify unusual activity. It's a rather obvious follow-up for such a 'serious' news item.

(December 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: SO back when you said that the evidence for the afterlife was the NDE's you linked...


You were..wrong/lying?

lets recap for a second

(December 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So why in the freaking hell would you use the personal near-death-experiences of other individuals as proof for your conclusions?

(December 8, 2014 at 4:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not using it as proof of anything other than that the phenomenon exists.

You do realize there is a difference between evidence and proof, right?

Epistomology is how we can know things.

Hepissedemallaway is how someone gets rid of tiny kidney stones.

Huggy, when asked for evidence of the afterlife by like half a dozen people, you came back to present NDEs as that evidence.

Now, you just said personal experiences are irrelevant, so where do we go from here?

(December 8, 2014 at 5:21 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Huggy, when asked for evidence of the afterlife by like half a dozen people, you came back to present NDEs as that evidence.

Now, you just said personal experiences are irrelevant, so where do we go from here?

I never said they were irrelevant, I said they were irrelevant to you. I have no problems taking someones word for something, when they haven't given me any reason to doubt them.

People often have already decided what they want to believe. Then they make up arguments to rationalise them. Arguments that wouldn't actually convince them, if they didn't already believe.

Happens a lot. Getting to the real reason someone believes something, that's the hard part.

(December 7, 2014 at 8:03 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: You mean to tell us this woman wasn't dead, doctors pronounced her dead. Are you saying you know more than the doctors that were present, the very doctors who worked on her are wrong and your right. Seems to me you have a god complex.

GC

she was unconscious, thought to be dead.

You know this how?

All I can say is...this shit is bananas.
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