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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 5:13 am
(December 8, 2014 at 5:16 pm)JonDarbyXIII Wrote: (December 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: That system came into existence after sin was brought into the world by Adam and Eve.
Before Adam and Eve ever partook of the forbidden fruit, the tree was referred to as the tree of "knowledge of good and evil." Wouldn't this, therefore mean that evil already existed? Otherwise it would have been called the tree of knowledge of good and 'something that doesn't exist yet.'
God being omniscient and perfectly righteous would have known what evil was, even if it did not exist at the time He put the tree in the Garden. Evil actually existed when Lucifer sinned against God, that however did not effect the earth or the rest of creation, why, I can't say for sure I do have my own ideas. Only when Adam and Eve sinned did it effect mankind and creation. God knew what the universe was before He created it.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am
And still, he gets to test you... Even though he knows you will fail him.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 3:55 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 5:13 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 8, 2014 at 5:16 pm)JonDarbyXIII Wrote: Before Adam and Eve ever partook of the forbidden fruit, the tree was referred to as the tree of "knowledge of good and evil." Wouldn't this, therefore mean that evil already existed? Otherwise it would have been called the tree of knowledge of good and 'something that doesn't exist yet.'
God being omniscient and perfectly righteous would have known what evil was, even if it did not exist at the time He put the tree in the Garden. Evil actually existed when Lucifer sinned against God, that however did not effect the earth or the rest of creation, why, I can't say for sure I do have my own ideas. Only when Adam and Eve sinned did it effect mankind and creation. God knew what the universe was before He created it.
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He is all knowing but not all intelligent he cannot be both. because if you are all knowing you would know everything. if he is all intelligent he would have to guess. still he knows we will fail him why doesn't he just i don't know kill us and start all over. god is like the parent who sees a baby start walking and doesn't need him and puts him into a obstacle field and says you can do it i'm sure you can but with my help without it you will fail. Lets see how far humanity has gotten we evolved. we expanded took over the land and not to mention we love technology and boy does technology grow fast. and this is to say we gotten far without god as people in the middle east still follow a bible and writes its laws around it. secularism first world country for the win.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm
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(December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am)oukoida Wrote: And still, he gets to test you... Even though he knows you will fail him.
The test is for us not Him, He teaches through the tests. Guess what, many complete the test responsibly and learn from that too.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 7:52 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am)oukoida Wrote: And still, he gets to test you... Even though he knows you will fail him.
The test is for us not Him, He teaches through the tests. Guess what, many complete the test responsibly and learn from that too.
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were failures to him enough said.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 7:53 pm
And what exactly is he supposed to teach you if you end up burning in hell forever or just cease to exist? What use would you have for knowledge then?
He would still have created you to burn forever, and wouldn't have taught you anything by those tests you could actually use in such a situation.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 7:53 pm)oukoida Wrote: And what exactly is he supposed to teach you if you end up burning in hell forever or just cease to exist? What use would you have for knowledge then?
He would still have created you to burn forever, and wouldn't have taught you anything by those tests you could actually use in such a situation.
Logic defeating god since mans first sentient thought.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 9:54 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am)oukoida Wrote: And still, he gets to test you... Even though he knows you will fail him.
If god is real and did create religion, I'm hoping his test was having humanity leave it behind.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 10:01 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 9:54 pm)MechViking Wrote: (December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am)oukoida Wrote: And still, he gets to test you... Even though he knows you will fail him.
If god is real and did create religion, I'm hoping his test was having humanity leave it behind.
well the atheists are on the winning side. if that is the case.
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RE: How do you feel
December 9, 2014 at 10:38 pm
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(December 9, 2014 at 7:53 pm)oukoida Wrote: And what exactly is he supposed to teach you if you end up burning in hell forever or just cease to exist? What use would you have for knowledge then?
He would still have created you to burn forever, and wouldn't have taught you anything by those tests you could actually use in such a situation.
I wasn't speaking of the lost, what makes you think that God teaches those who do not want to believe in Him, He will convict you to get your attention for salvation. God never created people to go to hell, He gives you a choice to stay out of hell.
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(December 9, 2014 at 9:54 pm)MechViking Wrote: (December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am)oukoida Wrote: And still, he gets to test you... Even though he knows you will fail him.
If god is real and did create religion, I'm hoping his test was having humanity leave it behind.
God did not create religion man did, God wants a personal relationship with man.
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