It is about fucking time. Guns are not candy and should not be pumped out like candy.
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Don't let them off the Hook.
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That's gonna get bounced.
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 Quote:The families are enlisting some big name legal talent, including Michael Koskoff, who represented the Jackson family in their suit against the promoter of Michael Jackson's last tour and Karen Hinton, a former aide to President Clinton.Considering how difficult those suits are to win, my guess is that the lawyers aren't working on a contingency basis.
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Still the crap the makers and the NRA do is the same bullshit tactic in defending a "no rules" market was the same bullshit tactic tobacco companies used to pull. The makers need to be sent a message that they are not selling toys and they need to be held responsible for their marketing.
 (December 15, 2014 at 8:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: Still the crap the makers and the NRA do is the same bullshit tactic in defending a "no rules" market was the same bullshit tactic tobacco companies used to pull. The makers need to be sent a message that they are not selling toys and they need to be held responsible for their marketing. I'd like to see examples of the marketing you're referring to. I'm not in the know, but immediately found this: Quote:The majority of gun ads (91%) emphasize the things that make one gun different from the next. For example, they discuss the quality of the gun (61%), its accuracy (38%) and reliability (35%), and its innovative features (27%) and uniqueness (21%).http://ivoter.com/why-are-gun-manufactur...-strategy/ Hardly what I would consider irresponsible marketing regardless of one's thoughts on the product being marketed. The article also indicated what made up the rest of the marketing: Quote:...only a small minority of gun ads emphasized self-protection (3%) or a Western cowboy lifestyle (5%)Still nothing inherently wrong here. I don't think you're going to find gun manufacturers pushing messages of irresponsible gun use or peddling them as toys.  RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 8:57 am
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Guns are bad. Get rid of them.
I've never seen someone brandish a real gun in my whole life in England. And I can think of no situation where I thought, "Man I wish everyone here had a gun!" Plenty of times I've been very thankful no one had a gun. It may be too late for USA, they are too insidious now. Feel free to send me a private message.
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December 15, 2014 at 9:27 am
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(December 15, 2014 at 8:24 am)Brian37 Wrote: It is about fucking time. Guns are not candy and should not be pumped out like candy. The lawsuit doesn't have a chance; it has no legal leg to stand on. (December 15, 2014 at 8:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: Still the crap the makers and the NRA do is the same bullshit tactic in defending a "no rules" market was the same bullshit tactic tobacco companies used to pull. The makers need to be sent a message that they are not selling toys and they need to be held responsible for their marketing. The ones they should be suing are the health care providers who failed to deal with Adam Lanza's mental illness.
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I agree guns don't do the killing on their own, they are a tool. But they are a damn good tool. It's a lot harder to take out a group of people before you are stopped with a knife than a gun.
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (December 15, 2014 at 9:27 am)Chas Wrote: The lawsuit doesn't have a chance; it has no legal leg to stand on.Unfortunately, this. Quote:The ones they should be suing are the health care providers who failed to deal with Adam Lanza's mental illness.True, along with the state legislators who made the rules that someone with an identified psychological disorder could legally own firearms.
Sum ergo sum
I think that in the Newtown case, the young man did not own the firearms; his mother did. Whether she is involved in the suit, I don't know.
That's not to say that the law makes it possible or not for a person diagnosed with a mental or emotional disorder to legally purchase a firearm, as I don't know enough about it. And in some cases (Colin Ferguson comes to mind) there is no way to know that a person making a legal gun purchase (and clearing the federally-mandated waiting period) is planning to use it to go on a shooting spree. I think that there may have been an attempt at suing a firearms manufacturer in that case as well, but am not sure.
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