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David Koch
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Seems the guys is pro-choice and pro gay marriage. He is also against ethanol subsidies even though his company recieves millions of dollars in these subsidies.
What is wrong with David Koch other than being pro-choice? http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/14/politics/d...?hpt=hp_t4  RE: David Koch
December 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2014 at 10:29 pm by Minimalist.)
As long as he gets richer and the poor get poorer he doesn't give a flying fuck.
Fuck him and his fucking brother. Oh, and fuck you, too. 
The orderlies at the asylum probably won't allow it.
 (December 15, 2014 at 10:30 pm)Cato Wrote: You really should get out more. Rollingstone isn't much to do about credibility these days. Especially after the phoney College Rape article they published recently.
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![[Image: freddy_03.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=s25.postimg.org%2Fuq1y7aapr%2Ffreddy_03.jpg) Quote: JohnDG... Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change. (December 16, 2014 at 5:22 am)A Theist Wrote: Rollingstone isn't much to do about credibility these days. Especially after the phoney College Rape article they published recently. Is that all you have? Nothing of substance? If what happened with the UVA story is systemic, it shouldn't be difficult for you to refute what is actually written in the article.  RE: David Koch
December 16, 2014 at 7:47 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2014 at 7:56 am by Nope.)
(December 15, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Heywood Wrote: Seems the guys is pro-choice and pro gay marriage. He is also against ethanol subsidies even though his company recieves millions of dollars in these subsidies. I have met libertarians who are pro-choice and pro-same sex marriage. They hold right wing views on everything else but believe that adults should be able to do what they want with their own bodies. Some of them are also open borders but their view on the borders has nothing to do with their love for their fellow man. They believe that business would somehow do better if people could freely and easily move from one place to the other. Quote:Koch, who supports gay rights and women's right to choose, said if candidates he gives to don't share those ideals, "That's their problem. I do have those views." This is the problem. He gives money to candidates that support things that will most likely hurt the country.  (December 16, 2014 at 7:47 am)Nope Wrote: I have met libertarians who are pro-choice and pro-same sex marriage. They hold right wing views on everything else but believe that adults should be able to do what they want with their own bodies. Some of them are also open borders but their view on the borders has nothing to do with their love for their fellow man. They believe that business would somehow do better if people could freely and easily move from one place to the other.Libertarians in the USA strike me as an attempt by the GOP to expand without alienating an important core constituency (the religious right). They're really just Republicans who take a slightly more liberal stand on social issues... sometimes. I think that the GOP is understandably concerned with getting them back into the fold, since a split could be devastating for them in future elections. An honest-to-goodness libertarian party would be more liberal than conservative, IMO. Therefore, if the migration goes in that direction (ie, GOP towards libertarianism) it's probably better for the country in the long run.
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December 16, 2014 at 8:50 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2014 at 8:52 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Ask our friends across the pond and they'll tell you that our "libertarians" have shifted right with the rest of our government - to the point where they don't seem like "libertarians" to other "libertarians" anymore. Hell, they're even shifting away from what american libertarians consider to be their position. I don't see any reason to assume that this pattern will stop, or that if it does, why any libertarian remnants will even be relevant. "Libertarian" in the states is shifting towards the GOP's positions..the GOP is not moving towards libertarianism.
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 RE: David Koch
December 16, 2014 at 9:20 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2014 at 9:21 am by Mudhammam.)
(December 15, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Heywood Wrote: What is wrong with David Koch other than being pro-choice?Silence is all I have... ![[Image: detroit_petcoke_fassinger_4.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.stillscenes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2Fdetroit_petcoke_fassinger_4.jpg) ...in solidarity with nature because thanks to corporate sociopaths like the Kochs she is fucking dying.
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