(December 16, 2014 at 9:44 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Dude, first of all, the Trinity is my favorite Christian doctrine, so I know EXACTLY what the doctrine is all about...

Evidently not. The fact that you like it doesn't mean you understand it.

Otto: "Apes don't read philospophy"
Wanda: "Yes they do, they just don't understand it."





Here's a common diagram that tries to explain the Trinity:


The "idea" (as incoherent as it is) of the Trinity as commonly is "explained" (as well as it can be) is that it is three separate persons but all three are part of one god.

Quote:second, I said that all three (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) share the same DEITY.

Contrasted with many passages in the Bible that make it clear Jesus is a separate and subordinate being to his father god.

Jesus has inferior knowledge:

Quote:Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Jesus has a separate and subordinate will:

Quote:Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Jesus has inferior morality:

Quote:Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

The booming voice from the sky speaks of Jesus in 3rd person and to him in 2nd person:

Quote:Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So Jesus can forgive sins because he is divine. But he prays to Yahweh because he is human. But Christianity is not polytheistic because there is only one god. But Jesus is an intercessor because he is a separate being from his father. But there are three. But there is only one. He is God and Not God at the same time, depending on the needs of the story at that time.

Quote:The Father is the Almighty, so if the Son and Holy Spirit share the same Deity as the Father, they must also be Almighty. One God, three persons. I thought I made that point clear, but apparently not.

Don't worry. It's gibberish. It's a way for Christianity to resolve strict Jewish monotheism with pagan concepts of a divine intercessor, something expressly forbidden in Jewish customs.

Quote:Bullshit...everything that the Father can do, the Son can do...

Except where the Bible says otherwise. See above.

Quote:and there is scriptural evidence for this..and there was never a point where Jesus was not God.

See my quoted passages above.

There was never a point in the synoptic Gospels where Jesus WAS said to be God, save for one passage where Matthew misquotes Isaiah. Even in the Gospel of John, the union isn't clear.

Quote:That is what the Trinity is, they are all God...one God...three persons.

Three separate persons. One god. Babbling nonsense.

Quote:Jesus lived, was crucified, buried, and Resurrected and appeared to his followers on the third day. All Gospels agree to that, except Mark who only has the Resurrection account...but that is good enough.

So there you have it, the Resurrection story that all Gospels agree on...anything else you want to know you need to be more specific, but you got what you asked for.

Not exactly. I need more than just "it really happened". But well done playing dumb. Fine, if I must spoon feed you...

How many women visited Jesus' tomb?
Did they come before dawn or after dawn on the Sunday?
Was the stone rolled away or was it still in place?
How many angels were there?
Were the angels inside or outside the tomb?
What did the angels say?
Was the woman/were the women terrified or overjoyed?
Did the women tell anyone what happened?
Who did the resurrected Jesus first appear to, where did he first appear and what did he say?
Which disciples ran to the tomb and what happened then?
Where did the resurrected Jesus first appear to the disciples?
Where did Jesus tell his disciples to go after the resurrection?
Did Jesus appear to all 11 at once or just 10 and then to Thomas later?
How long did the resurrected Jesus linger on earth before ascending into Heaven (same day, 1 week or 40 days according to Acts)?

OK, I forgot to mention that you have to reconcile Acts of the Apostles with the Gospels as well. Sorry for not saying so earlier but I think that's understood since it's part of scripture.

(December 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(December 16, 2014 at 9:44 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Dude, first of all, the Trinity is my favorite Christian doctrine, so I know EXACTLY what the doctrine is all about...

Evidently not. The fact that you like it doesn't mean you understand it.

Otto: "Apes don't read philospophy"
Wanda: "Yes they do, they just don't understand it."

DP, you fool! I suppose next you'll tell us that Aristotle wasn't Belgian, the London underground isn't a political movement, and that the central teaching of Buddhism isn't "every man for himself".

(December 17, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(December 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Evidently not. The fact that you like it doesn't mean you understand it.

Otto: "Apes don't read philospophy"
Wanda: "Yes they do, they just don't understand it."

DP, you fool! I suppose next you'll tell us that Aristotle wasn't Belgian, the London underground isn't a political movement, and that the central teaching of Buddhism isn't "every man for himself".

"Asshole!"

Great fucking movie!

(December 17, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: "Asshole!"

What was the middle part?

(December 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(December 17, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: "Asshole!"

What was the middle part?

You pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, English, giant, twerp, scumbag, fuck-face, dickhead, asshole.

(December 17, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(December 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: What was the middle part?

You pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, English, giant, twerp, scumbag, fuck-face, dickhead, asshole.

How very interesting. You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?

(December 17, 2014 at 5:32 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(December 17, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, English, giant, twerp, scumbag, fuck-face, dickhead, asshole.

How very interesting. You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?

You're the vulgarian, you fuck.

(December 17, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(December 17, 2014 at 5:32 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: How very interesting. You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?

You're the vulgarian, you fuck.

I think you got them all.