(December 18, 2014 at 1:39 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The Jewish people have been taking land from the Palestinians for decades. They are an invading force.

I'll agree that the jews and muslims and christians are probably going to be at war over that section of the world for all time, all because of some stupid religion. However genocide and forced conversion is not going to work. Outside forces need to relegate certain equal pieces of land to these groups, and make them be happy with what they have.

Or I suppose we could just leave them to kill each other for a few thousand more years. I don't know.

Should the US give all the land back to the Mexicans and Native Americans? Probably.

we would need to go back to Europe also if they decide to do that.

(December 18, 2014 at 2:08 pm)dyresand Wrote: we would need to go back to Europe also if they decide to do that.

Between insinuating and actually saying "Adios MF and kiss my ass", I do not think Europe is going to take us back.

(December 18, 2014 at 2:48 pm)IATIA Wrote: Between insinuating and actually saying "Adios MF and kiss my ass", I do not think Europe is going to take us back.

Maybe if you ship out Michelle Bachmann, Louie Gohmert and the rest of the loony toons to a distant island first.

(December 18, 2014 at 1:53 pm)professor Wrote: Chad, outside forces already DID divide that land. The Muslims got a section and the Jews got a section.
That was too much for the Arabs. As I said, the Muslims wanted it ALL, just as they do now.
They went to war with tiny Israel and lost.
Again- BOTH groups were given land by the UN mandate.

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Rob, we are not there yet.
When we get there, you can look for your toilet.

Yes they were both gien land, then the Jews took more and more land over time.

FAF, that was a good one.
At the moment I am all out of bogus Rapture dates.
If you find one please let me know.

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Chad, "More and more"- meaning when the Jews were about to be attacked again in 1967?
The Arabs lost again.
Remember what happens to the losers in war?
They loose.
They don't gain land.

And why does successfully defending yourself mean you take their land?

Read history.
When your enemy tries to kill you and take everything you have, and your enemy looses-
he looses big time.
He FORFITS what he has.
It is called "Justice".

(December 18, 2014 at 3:32 pm)professor Wrote: Read history.
When your enemy tries to kill you and take everything you have, and your enemy looses-
he looses big time.
He FORFITS what he has.
It is called "Justice".

If that's what you call justice, I'm glad you don't have an army.

I agree with him. If a nation tries to invade another and gets its ass kicked further back than where it started, it stands to lose that territory. Otherwise there is incentive to try invading again once you reorganize your forces.

Even if it's a fight over a space that some white guys kicked you out of in the first place so they could give it to these dudes they felt sorry for. I mean, to these dudes that were supposed to get that land in order to start the countdown on a biblical prophecy.

(December 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: All you've said here is that you have an argument and it works, you didn't present it. …the same Aquinas…you've given in the past, and had debunked over and over?

Debunked? In your dreams, Esq. Your response, a kind of brute facts occationalism, provides no rational basis of effectiveness of the scientific method and violates the principle of sufficient reason.

(December 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: … science understands that presuming an answer without evidence merely because there isn't some better answer is an argument from ignorance.

Only within the scope of inquiries related to natural science. Science presupposes certain philosophical assumptions. That foundational need is why there is a specific area of rational inquiry called ‘Philosophy of Science.’