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dyresand · December 23, 2014 at 2:44 am

(December 23, 2014 at 2:42 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Is it just me or do Christians think their delusions are supposed to be viewed by the rest of us as a license to promote vulgar morality and credulous pseudoscience?

Hey it makes the leaders money. they don't really care about the message only the believers who give up their money.

Mudhammam · December 23, 2014 at 2:51 am

(December 23, 2014 at 2:44 am)dyresand Wrote:
(December 23, 2014 at 2:42 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Is it just me or do Christians think their delusions are supposed to be viewed by the rest of us as a license to promote vulgar morality and credulous pseudoscience?

Hey it makes the leaders money. they don't really care about the message only the believers who give up their money.

True but for the less successful salesman, like Drich, I really do believe they have either such low self-esteem and lack of imagination that the idea of God does actually fill them with purpose and intellectual satisfaction, or else they are just utterly insecure about reality's uncertainties and in their vanity believe God will make everything ok for them... at some point.

dyresand · (This post was last modified: December 23, 2014 at 2:58 am by dyresand.)

(December 23, 2014 at 2:51 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(December 23, 2014 at 2:44 am)dyresand Wrote: Hey it makes the leaders money. they don't really care about the message only the believers who give up their money.

True but for the less successful salesman, like Drich, I really do believe they have either such low self-esteem and lack of imagination that the idea of God does actually fill them with purpose and intellectual satisfaction, or else they are just utterly insecure about reality's uncertainties and in their vanity believe God will make everything ok for them... at some point.

Religion works for people with low self esteem sadly...
Not to mention it works for people converting others who are down.
That is probably the most immoral thing religion could do.

**robvalue** · December 23, 2014 at 3:54 am

What in the name of holy Christ on a bun are you talking about Drich? Just trying to desperately attack anyone different to make yourself feel better?

Do people with different delusions like Muslims suffer from this supposed problem, or just non delusional people?

**Ryantology** · December 23, 2014 at 4:10 am

(December 23, 2014 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote: Is it just me or do people who don't know God far more likly to be overly sensitive to EVERYTHING? It's like they are over compensating for something.
Or they are trying to fill that hole in their hearts with overly 'moral' gestures and extra sensitivity to everything. to the point they are willing to suspend common sense and even the truth to try and pretend they some how are better than those who simply seek redemption..

It is absolutely just you.

Zen Badger · December 23, 2014 at 5:50 am

(December 23, 2014 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote:

Is it just me or do people who don't know God far more likly to be overly sensitive to EVERYTHING? It's like they are over compensating for something.
Or they are trying to fill that hole in their hearts with overly 'moral' gestures and extra sensitivity to everything. to the point they are willing to suspend common sense and even the truth to try and pretend they some how are better than those who simply seek redemption..

As if our efforts here amounted to anything on their own. But there in lies the fundemental difference between 'morality' and True Righteousness. Man's morality demands that the lessor of two evils is what is to be deemed 'moral.' As if in this case being more 'moral' than one who seeks redemption makes them somehow a more 'moral' choice for salvation.

The problem? Morality is simply the lessor of two evils. Even if the lessor of two evils can be determined IT IS STILL EVIL! Therefore not righteous. (Which is the only standard God looks for in us.) Since we can not produce righteousness, we must seek it from another source. Thankfully Christ is that other source. When we accept His atonement, we trade our sin for His righteousness. So when God looks at us He see not our sin as it was nailed to the cross, but the righteousness of Christ.

This allows God to love us not for what we do, but for ourselves. In a 'morals' based economy our actions determine our relationship status with God, in a grace/attonement based economy God's love for us, and ours for Him is the currency needed for eternal life.

That (redemption) is like a Father loving a Child simple because the child is His verses a father who loves a child for what the child does or does not do. (Morality)

This grace this love is what keeps the redeemed from having to check our common sense at the door in favor for extra sensitivity to making sure we are on the side of 'morality' even if it engangers ourselves or our way of life.

abaris · December 23, 2014 at 6:08 am

(December 23, 2014 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote: The problem? Morality is simply the lessor of two evils. Even if the lessor of two evils can be determined IT IS STILL EVIL! Therefore not righteous. (Which is the only standard God looks for in us.) Since we can not produce righteousness, we must seek it from another source. Thankfully Christ is that other source. When we accept His atonement, we trade our sin for His righteousness. So when God looks at us He see not our sin as it was nailed to the cross, but the righteousness of Christ.

Yeah, sure. Jesus makes for a great human shield to hide behind. Everything happening behind Jesus stays behind Jesus, so morality is relativistic, everything is fair game as long as I invoke Jesus as my saviour.

That's a concept to puke over and I'm glad it's rather confined to America's evangelical nutjob plantations.

**Spooky** · December 23, 2014 at 8:56 am

So...You're basically saying atheists are all assholes.

Personally I think christians are bigoted idiots. Guess we'll just disagree to disagree.

~~Drich~~ · December 23, 2014 at 9:11 am

What you guys fail to understand through the thin veil of morality you hide behind. It is not that I am pretending to say Those who seek redemption are better in any way. As so many of you are so quick to point out, we understand we are often times worse than those who hide behind vain righteousness that is spawned from with in yourselves or your culture. That is why we often are made to seek redemption.

It is because we can not pretend to be all high and mighty, or we understand that being "good Moral people" is the same as being the lessor of two evils (in the we are still evil) and as such still not worthy of eternal life. So that mean all the posts and posters who pointed out that I am less "moral" than you hold yourselves to are I deed correct. I don't pretend to hold myself to the standards of this generation's popular culture. As such I know I need to find attonement and redemption for my evil, and not just hide it by comparing it to another person's 'more' evil ways.

What are examples of over sensitivity?
The reaction to the advanced interrogation techniques. Why isn't this torture? Again torture is not legal, these techniques were deemed legal. That's it. our actions were in direct response to the threat our leaders thought we were under. They at the time had to weigh and sift though all the info presented and plot a course that lead us to a point in time where we now have the luxury to look back in self righteous judgement. Looking back we have the luxury of knowing that the events are always set in stone, that it is why it is so easy to almost always make a better desision (there are no variables any more)

however looking forward everything is a variable, and the best way to make a desision is with as much information as possible. Especially When that desision could mean the lives of 10's of million of people on both sides of a conflict, and when a hand full of bad men control the destiny of all those lives, I have no issue of turning those people inside out if it meant lives would be saved.

The other example of over sensitivity was to the discussion of slavery we just had. This is where common sense has failed most of you. In that we currently live in the backs of slaves and your over sensitivity to that word has kept you from acknowledging your personal role in the employment of slaves to provide you with the western life style you currently enjoy. This over sensitivity/loss of common sense has also kept you from acknoweledging that for those who are slaves need their slavery to survive. Because with out their jobs they would literally starve trying to live in the societal model we currently live in.

I can think of a few more but I think the pot is stirred well enough.

Cato · December 23, 2014 at 9:12 am

Dealing with Christians that extol religious strictures that cannot be arrived at without invoking God is similar to dealing with commanded table manners issued from a child's imaginary friend that gets invited to every meal. There is absolutely no reason to take either seriously. How the petulance is managed will vary.

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