No one should own a gun. If anything should be completely eradicated from society, it is guns.

From my perspective, criminals owning and misusing guns does not even warrant law-abiding citizens owning them no matter how responsible they may be.

(December 19, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Sionnach Wrote: No one should own a gun. If anything should be completely eradicated from society, it is guns.

From my perspective, criminals owning and misusing guns does not even warrant law-abiding citizens owning them no matter how responsible they may be.

I would rather eradicate bad people but until that happens I'll hold on to my guns.

Quote:From my perspective, criminals owning and misusing guns does not even warrant law-abiding citizens owning them no matter how responsible they may be.

It's not the criminals who worry me. It's the nuts.

And the careless, clumsy, bastards.

(December 18, 2014 at 11:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: My point, which you refuse to face, is that we only hear about the incidents in which there is injury or property damage to some 3'd party's property. No one...not even a gun nut...is going to be stupid enough to say to a reporter "I was practicing my quick draw in front of a mirror and shot my mirror." So the extent of the problem of idiots with guns is doubtlessly understated. And yes, my point is that even the most careful or "responsible" person can make a mistake. If you make a mistake with a knife, you may cut your finger. If you make a mistake with a gun, you can kill someone 500 yards away.

Now here is a tale which some people might consider "bad luck."

I consider it "Good Dog."

http://www.newser.com/story/200194/dog-a...owner.html

Quote:Dog Accidentally Shoots Owner
Police say it stepped on rifle when moving around in vehicle

And the point which you refuse to acknowledge is that given tens of millions of gun owners, there are very few accidents.

Every car owner is an accident waiting to happen, and they do so with more regularity and a higher death toll.

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(December 19, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:From my perspective, criminals owning and misusing guns does not even warrant law-abiding citizens owning them no matter how responsible they may be.

It's not the criminals who worry me. It's the nuts.

And the careless, clumsy, bastards.

And they worry me, too. They should worry every thoughtful person.

We disagree about the potential number of accidents, Chas. You refuse to admit that everyone walking around with a gun is an accident waiting to happen. I will concede that a gun, unloaded and locked in a safe, is unlikely to be much of a threat to a 3d party. But, then, what is the point of having it if it is too far away to protect one from his/her paranoia?

Anyway, back to work documenting the known fuck-ups of L-ARGOs which Chas insists are so rare.

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/news/accide...fc39e.html

Quote:HICKORY, N.C.—Two unrelated accidental shootings took place within quarter of a mile of each other this weekend.

On Sunday afternoon, a 42-year-old man in the parking lot of Academy Sports on U.S. Route 70 accidentally shot himself in the leg while changing the ammunition in his handgun.

Officers at the scene did not release the man’s name, but said his injury was not life threatening.

The day before, a 24-year-old man accidentally shot himself–also in the leg, and also while he was sitting in his vehicle–in the parking lot of Valley Hills Mall, which is adjacent to the Academy Sports parking lot.

The man was attempting to put his .45 caliber handgun on safety when it went off and hit an artery in his leg, causing life-threatening blood loss.

I can hear the fucking NRA now. "Putting your gun on SAFETY is dangerous. Don't do it!!!!"


http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/mi.../20901323/

Quote:A 16-year-old Detroiter was in critical condition Thursday after a gun he and some friends were playing with accidentally went off, Detroit police said.

It did not "accidentally" go off. They were playing with it and someone pulled the fucking trigger.


http://fox13now.com/2014/12/17/search-wa...-old-girl/

Quote:Search warrant offers details in accidental shooting that killed 12-year-old girl

Quote:The document states that after the adults had been examining the guns, “Father placed a loaded handgun in his pants pocket. A ten year old juvenile resident of the home accessed the firearm and discharged the firearm. The round struck a 12 year old juvenile resident of the home.”

Good work keeping your family "safe," dad.

http://foxct.com/2014/12/26/police-inves...ddlefield/

Quote:Police say that Britney Koba, 24 of Virginia Beach, VA was attempting to unload her firearm and instead a 9mm round was discharged into her leg.

Seems to be a lot of that going around.

http://www.news9.com/story/27688982/stil...l-shooting

Quote:STILLWATER, Oklahoma -

Police in Stillwater are still trying to figure out how a man was accidentally shot in the head at a weekend party.

Alex Vierling, 21, was at a party after midnight Sunday in the 500 block of S. West Street. In a news release, Stillwater police state: "Initial reports indicate the shooting occurred when one of the party goers was handling a pistol they thought was a toy."

The gun fired and Alex was hit in the head. The former OSU student was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead, just five days before Christmas.

http://www.newser.com/story/200493/accid...ition.html

Quote:Presumably, Charlene Ross was not happy when a shotgun went off Sunday morning at their son's Ohio home while her 77-year-old husband was checking to see if it was loaded. Presumably, the 75-year-old was especially not happy when birdshot struck her in the neck. But she probably now sees the silver lining: While treating her, doctors discovered she has an arrhythmia, or irregular heartbeat, that could be life-threatening,

As "life-threatening" as being blasted with a fucking shot gun by some stupid bastard?

http://whotv.com/2014/12/21/one-person-k...-shooting/

Quote:DES MOINES, Iowa – Des Moines Police say a 22-year-old man died after shooting himself by accident. Officers were called to the Wakonda Village Apartments at 1800 Watrous Avenue just before 9 p.m. Saturday.

Uh-huh.

This was just one page on Google.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We disagree about the potential number of accidents, Chas. You refuse to admit that everyone walking around with a gun is an accident waiting to happen. I will concede that a gun, unloaded and locked in a safe, is unlikely to be much of a threat to a 3d party. But, then, what is the point of having it if it is too far away to protect one from his/her paranoia?

Anyway, back to work documenting the known fuck-ups of L-ARGOs which Chas insists are so rare.

It's still a handful out of tens of millions of gun owners, so it is statistically rare.

That's a piss-poor reason for a pile of dead kids.

(December 26, 2014 at 6:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's a piss-poor reason for a pile of dead kids.

How is it the reason? It's just a fact.
The reason is careless people, and that is also the reason for auto accidents.

We have already agreed that drivers are licensed and insured...unlike gun nuts. Let's not go around the block again.


Meanwhile, in Detroit....Santa's packing.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world...653781.cms

Quote:DETROIT: A man dressed in a Santa Claus suit accused of shooting two men over the weekend at a Detroit gas station was acting in defence of a co-worker who was dressed as Mrs Claus, his attorney said on Tuesday.

Marcus Weldon, 26, faces multiple assault charges, including assault with intent to murder, as a result of the shooting, which wounded two men early Sunday. Weldon's attorney, Gabi Silver, pleaded not guilty on Weldon's behalf at a hearing on Tuesday.