(January 1, 2015 at 8:57 am)mralstoner Wrote: #DumberThanA5thGrader

Here, have a mirror.

Especially for christians not following the old testament. They follow it just fine when it suits their needs, as is shown by hating gays and bombing abortion clinics.

And did it every cross your mind, who ISIS, or the Taliban kill the most. Here's an easy one. What do you think, the children in that Pakistani school attack have been? Christians, Atheists or Muslims?

I'm going to bet this is a fight of Christians from Germany V. Islam to make on religion prevail over the other and not exactly a protest against the evil of Islam as a religion. It's very easy to find a scapegoat, use some populist speeches, and pretend everything will be ok after we eliminate the potential threat, but nowadays people are too smart to fall into the same scheme, don't forget WWII.

(January 1, 2015 at 10:31 am)Blackout Wrote: but nowadays people are too smart to fall into the same scheme, don't forget WWII.

That's a bold claim, a claim I cannot support by any observed evidence. Presenting scapegoats is still the favored method of populists and people have the same tendencies to fall into that trap as they had back then.

btw, here's an english translation of Angela Merkel's New Years adress.

Quote: 'They have hatred in their hearts': Angela Merkel delivers stinging attack on Germany's growing anti-Islamic protesters

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...52274.html

(January 1, 2015 at 10:44 am)abaris Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 10:31 am)Blackout Wrote: but nowadays people are too smart to fall into the same scheme, don't forget WWII.

That's a bold claim, a claim I cannot support by any observed evidence. Presenting scapegoats is still the favored method of populists and people have the same tendencies to fall into that trap as they had back then.

Exactly. As I've said before, give us one larger terror attack, and let's see how quickly the mob rounds up the muslim looking people.

(January 1, 2015 at 11:25 am)Alex K Wrote: Exactly. As I've said before, give us one larger terror attack, and let's see how quickly the mob rounds up the muslim looking people.

You don't even need that much. There are already countless anti muslim attacks ranging from vandalising muslim institutions to committing actual bodily harm. Just google anti muslim attacks 2014 europe and you will find many examples. I just did that and it pretty much conforms with what I have read in the papers this last year.

(January 1, 2015 at 8:57 am)mralstoner Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 7:45 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: You can point to just as many horrors in the bible. The problem is not muslims its islam. If Christians can ignore the horrid bits in the bible then the muslims can do the same in the Koran. It's the devout ones that are the problem and they are the minority.

Oh FFS, not this bullshit again. Muslims follow Mohammed. Christians follow Jesus, not the Old Testament.

Mohammed was a head-chopping, sex slaving, warlord. Jesus didn't kill anyone.

Read the biographies of Jesus and Mo to a 5th grader and even they have more brain cells than you to see than one is a far more violent role model than the other. #DumberThanA5thGrader

My point seems to have missed you completely, I can only assume you have poor comprehension skills but I shall try again.

THE MESSAGE ISNT THE PROBLEM.

It doesn't matter what mohammed did versus what jesus did or who said what, the message for most people of faith is largely IRRELEVANT.

My point is that most people go along mostly ignoring the bulk of their religion and carry on doing what everyone else does.

It is the people who read the bible or Koran and act on I what it actually says that are the problem.

Most believers don't really do what the bible or Koran really say but have a faith that they temper with modern sensibilities.

That was my point which you missed in a drunken stupor (I assume) coz it was pretty clear.

Anyhoo I refuse to be sucked into your rabid hatred of all muslims.

Most aren't members of ISIS or Al Quaeda and are as horrified by those arseholes as everyone else.

But by demonizing them people like you are creating the next generation of radicals.

Another thought occurs have you actually met muslims? or are you just reacting in a knee jerk way in response to fox news hyperbole?

(January 1, 2015 at 7:45 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 7:31 am)mralstoner Wrote: Fact 1 - There are 90 verses in the Koran which command Muslims to imitate the prophet Mohammed.
Fact 2 - Mohammed beheaded a whole Jewish tribe, the Banu Qurayza.
Fact 3 - Mohammed beheaded poets who criticised him.
Fact 4 - Mohammed sanctions sex slaves as the spoils of war.
Fact 5 - Mohammed ordered or supported 43 assassinations.
Fact 6 - Mohammed commanded 65 military campaigns, and fought in 27 of them.

Conclusion 1 - Islam is a religion of "peace".
Conclusion 2 - A significant percentage of every Muslim population will follow the "peaceful" example of Mohammed and blow up unexpectedly.

The question for Downbeat is: how big does our Muslim population have to get before we have a serious problem (if we don't already have one)?

You can point to just as many horrors in the bible. The problem is not muslims its islam. If Christians can ignore the horrid bits in the bible then the muslims can do the same in the Koran. It's the devout ones that are the problem and they are the minority.

Obviously, the vast majority of Christians in the US are much better human beings than their ideology might suggest, something also true of the relativly few Jewish and Mormon people that I know. There are no Muslims in my circle, but I would assume the same holds true.

All religious ideology poses a potential threat, warping the people who hold into harming the people who don't. But that threat is evident in very few religious followers.

(January 1, 2015 at 11:48 am)tjakey Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 7:45 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: You can point to just as many horrors in the bible. The problem is not muslims its islam. If Christians can ignore the horrid bits in the bible then the muslims can do the same in the Koran. It's the devout ones that are the problem and they are the minority.

Obviously, the vast majority of Christians in the US are much better human beings than their ideology might suggest, something also true of the relativly few Jewish and Mormon people that I know. There are no Muslims in my circle, but I would assume the same holds true.

All religious ideology poses a potential threat, warping the people who hold into harming the people who don't. But that threat is evident in very few religious followers.

See you get my point. This went over other peoples heads for some reason.

(January 1, 2015 at 10:31 am)Blackout Wrote: I'm going to bet this is a fight of Christians from Germany V. Islam to make on religion prevail over the other and not exactly a protest against the evil of Islam as a religion.

In Germany, and especially the east where this thing originates, people are not very religious on average. What they think is threatened is the "cultural" stuff that is loosely associated with Christianity in Germany. The "way of life". Can I drink a beer and eat my Schweinshaxen. Will Christmas be outlawed. Will people take out the trash on time and cut their lawns correctly?

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(January 1, 2015 at 11:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Another thought occurs have you actually met muslims? or are you just reacting in a knee jerk way in response to fox news hyperbole?

The ones I went to school with were, so surprisingly, perfectly nice people. Even their parents were perfectly nice people. The kind of people you would want to drink an ayran with, as someone recently joked. To imagine that they let their daughter talk to me and stuff. Mindboggling.

(January 1, 2015 at 11:51 am)Alex K Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 10:31 am)Blackout Wrote: I'm going to bet this is a fight of Christians from Germany V. Islam to make on religion prevail over the other and not exactly a protest against the evil of Islam as a religion.

In Germany, and especially the east where this thing originates, people are not very religious on average. What they think is threatened is the "cultural" stuff that is loosely associated with Christianity in Germany. The "way of life".

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(January 1, 2015 at 11:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Another thought occurs have you actually met muslims? or are you just reacting in a knee jerk way in response to fox news hyperbole?

The ones I went to school with were, so surprisingly, perfectly nice people. Even their parents were perfectly nice people. The kind of people you would want to drink an ayran with, as someone recently joked. To imagine that they let their daughter talk to me and stuff. Mindboggling.

Most people of any faith are nice.

It's the ones that take it seriously you have to watch.