(January 1, 2015 at 12:00 pm)dyresand Wrote: Here is my bold thought out logical argument against god. The abrahamic god of the bible Yaweh could not have existed for various reasons and inconsistencies. God of the bible is unnecessarily evil and hateful sure this is the same god from the OT. But even still Yaweh lies and kills and tries to point out that Lucifer is evil. One would wonder why did Lucifer rebel from Yaweh... Think about all the terrible things Yaweh did and well Lucifer rebelled for his various reasons. So before anyone says Lucifer is a bad guy in the bible think about it Lucifer knows god better than anyone seriously he was gods right hand man. so god is not all truly good but a evil psychopath, lair, murderer, etc. The biggest flaw of Yaweh is his human emotion.

So ill try to defend god for shits and giggles. God or Yaweh that is depicted in the bible is not god at all. Just for a moment one could not really know god no book out there could depict a god. Why would a god want to be acknowledged in a book. Now for one moment god is just there watching over us why would he wan't anyone to kill in his name why would god want that i'm pretty sure he wouldn't. I am also sure god wouldn't care if you worshiped other gods. So even if you were like this terrible person and killed people i'm pretty sure there wouldn't be hell more like some punishment maybe. Also this one other thought what if god of the bible was real... so this being can create a whole universe what is there to stop him making a whole other one and forgetting about us and well there is nothing stopping god from doing that. Who knows he could have made several of them we wouldn't know. So if god is all omni anything he would have to be in a higher plane or some type of dimension to move around time freely... I am a atheist and i have proved god you see how sad that is....

The only thing you've proved is you're utter stupidity, you call your opinion a logical process of thought when the only thing you did was parrot others with the same ol' nonsense spewed around here every other day. So what you believe to be an original thought turns out to be the same whining of the last 150+ years.

GC

(January 1, 2015 at 2:02 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You're like the ant who believes that the ant-farm is the real world. You're uncultured, uneducated, and uninteresting, except in the sense that studying you teaches me more about human folly.

You know, the last few days I watched the Steve Shive series where he reads apologists and comments on them. I haven't got the guts to read something like that myself, but Steve taking them apart piece by piece makes it bearable.

The issue at hand is, I shudder inwardly when I hear these circular apologist arguments and see their fundamental willful ignorance about the world at large. It's like wearing a ball and chain at every step and I shudder thinking what it must feel like to walk in their shoes. It's a mixture between revulsion and pity.

(January 1, 2015 at 2:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: So what you believe to be an original thought turns out to be the same whining

My irony detector just exploded.

(January 1, 2015 at 2:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: The only thing you've proved is you're utter stupidity, you call your opinion a logical process of thought when the only thing you did was parrot others with the same ol' nonsense spewed around here every other day. So what you believe to be an original thought turns out to be the same whining of the last 150+ years.

GC

Again, if what's being parroted is something you disagree with then it must be true mustn't it?

I mean, our thoughts might be based on 'unoriginal' thoughts from 150 years ago (???), but following your own logic your reasoning for your 'thoughts' is the same nonsensical bullshit that was told over 2 millennia ago!

I mean FFS GC, do you mean to make it so easy for us or what? Maybe next time try not to undermine your own argument in the same sentance you make your argument yeah?

(January 1, 2015 at 4:08 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 3:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I tried to have a decent conversation with you and you return with this crap, God was never created can you understand those four words or are you just to ignorant. You're a first class parrot who deserves little if any recognition.

GC

And how do you know that he was never created?

Because I have a relationship with Him and He states He has no beginning, thus has always been, mind blowing I know, but true.

GC

(January 1, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because I have a relationship with Him.

GC

It is impossible to have a relationship where there is no reciprocation.

(January 1, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because I have a relationship with Him and He states He has no beginning, thus has always been, mind blowing I know, but true.

GC

No, relationships can be demonstrated, not merely asserted.

Besides, even assuming the first half of your statement, god could have lied to you, or been mistaken, but given everything we know about how things work, the possibility that he is correct is lower than those other two possibilities.

(January 1, 2015 at 1:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 3:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I tried to have a decent conversation with you and you return with this crap, God was never created can you understand those four words or are you just to ignorant. You're a first class parrot who deserves little if any recognition.

GC

Nah, you're wrong GC: god was created.

See? I can make totally unfounded assertions too!

Your assertion is unfounded, you have no proof to lead you to such a conclusion, but I'm glad you see that you're wrong. Now that we see you're wrong that leaves us with this God wasn't created, He has always been. You dismiss this because you can't rap your mind around this, don't feel alone no one can. Being omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent means God could not have been created, nothing could nor would create something better or more powerful than themselves. God also being perfect in all His good attributes means He couldn't have been created, these things can not be created they have always been, they have no beginning they have always been.

GC

(January 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 1:59 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Nah, you're wrong GC: god was created.

See? I can make totally unfounded assertions too!

Your assertion is unfounded, you have no proof to lead you to such a conclusion, but I'm glad you see that you're wrong. Now that we see you're wrong that leaves us with this God wasn't created, He has always been. You dismiss this because you can't rap your mind around this, don't feel alone no one can. Being omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent means God could not have been created, nothing could nor would create something better or more powerful than themselves. God also being perfect in all His good attributes means He couldn't have been created, these things can not be created they have always been, they have no beginning they have always been.

GC

GC there is proof god was created by man. There is no proof for your assertion that god is real. Its a claim that has so many issues and cannot be stated as true or false. You need to have evidence of gods existence outside of the bible as it is created by man.

(January 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: Now that we see you're wrong that leaves us with this God wasn't created, He has always been.

GC

That still leaves us with the very real probability, that god doesn't exist at all. Given the scientific knowledge of the world and the universe surrounding us.

You carry with you the ball and chains of being a literalist. What's more, you're afraid to inform yourself beyond obviously reading apologist literature, which doesn't add to knowledge but only confirms your already existing bias.