Welcome, keta! I'm not qualified to evaluate your claim about the YouTube community in question, but I hope they are not representative of atheists in general.

(January 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: The last time I checked, there aren't atheists trying to make religion illegal, there are no atheists pushing their agendas in things like video games, there are no atheists invading churches and mosques and synagogues. It is completely different from feminism. Where as we condemn each other constantly when we think we're wrong on issues, feminism doesn't do that. At least christians condemn the westboro baptist church. Where are the feminists condemning the actions of groups like the one in the video above? They will do anything to further their agenda, they don't care about hypocrisy or intellectual honesty or even facts. Whereas atheists do.

There are, they simply aren't well known notable people, but I've read comments on other atheist forums of people defending measures like banning religion, so those people exist and are a minority. Since when are feminists pushing agendas? Feminists have been pushing gender equality and pro-equality social values only, that's the only thing they do, feminazis shouldn't be associated with the entire feminist movement. There aren't any feminists bombing places or committing genocide in the name of feminism

Feminists condemn feminazis and misandry, but since you've probably never read a feminist work, or a feminist blog, or talked with a rational feminists who favours equality, you think it's wise to stereotype them all - In fact I've said it already that feminists want to fight for issues that harm men more than women and don't want female privileges - I'm assuming this because if you had done it, it would be extremely irrational to make that kind of assumptions about most feminists - And since you seem to be a reasonably smart person I take it that you would probably change your mind by simply taking time to read and hear the opinion of equality feminists rather than caring only about the minority of feminazis.

So what actually is their agenda other than gender equality? Do you really believe the conspiracy theory that feminists want female dominance over man? Give me a break, society is dominated by males, from politics to the media and executive offices, no one will subjugate us because we are men, chill... Instead be happy that you won't have to worry about having a 1/4 chance of suffering sexual violence, or that you will make on average more money than women, even in the same job position, or that there aren't governments passing laws to control your body, or that the media respectfully represents various types of characters (male) with different complex personalities instead of making the value of them depend on boobs and ass.

I can't talk to you any more, you've already convinced yourself what my position is so it's pointless trying to communicate with you further.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: I can't talk to you any more, you've already convinced yourself what my position is so it's pointless trying to communicate with you further.

Then explain to me why your position is correct when you are simply saying you are against a movement that advocates gender equality and you are generalizing a group (feminists) because of what a tiny minority do, considering that those rational feminists probably would NEVER want to be associated with feminazis, just like I, as an atheist and anti-theist, don't want to be associated with people who defend extreme measures like executing religious people.

I've communicated the reasons why I'm pro feminist male correctly, and I didn't invent bullshit such as that feminists are intellectually dishonest when there are studies and facts backing up rational claims about women inequality (such as higher rape incidence on females or anti-abortion laws and positions)

(January 2, 2015 at 12:42 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: I'm not scared of being associated with the word feminist, I just don't want to be associated with it due to the crazy extremist man hating hypocrites. If they all go away, then I will happily associate myself with feminism.

I'm just not willing to cede the title of "feminists" to the freedom of speech nazis. I'm a better feminist than they they are and I'm not a woman. I'm also egalitarian and pro fair play for everyone, but that is something else.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Blackout Wrote: I, as an atheist and anti-theist, don't want to be associated with people who defend extreme measures like executing religious people.

I'm sad to hear we've lost your support.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Blackout Wrote: Then explain to me why your position is correct when you are simply saying you are against a movement that advocates gender equality

No. This is exactly what i'm talking about. I never said I was against the feminist movement. I said that I agree with most of their ideals, but I don't like the very vocal minority of them.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Blackout Wrote: and you are generalizing a group (feminists) because of what a tiny minority do,

Again no. I never said I thought all feminists were like that. And my problem is that the tiny minority is very loud, very vocal and very publicised. I would alienate myself from atheism if the atheists that wanted to make religion illegal and kill theists, were half as vocal as the extreme feminists.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Blackout Wrote: I've communicated the reasons why I'm pro feminist male correctly,

As if there were a way that you could communicate this incorrectly.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Blackout Wrote: and I didn't invent bullshit such as that feminists are intellectually dishonest when there are studies and facts backing up rational claims about women inequality (such as higher rape incidence on females or anti-abortion laws and positions)

And there are also studies that show that the wage gap is a myth and yet it's still very popular among feminists. So now we have examples of them being both dishonest and not dishonest.

There are some studies that show that the wage gap is a myth? Well I suppose that proves it.

But I wonder something: how is the wage gap even defined in any specific mention? It's not at all a trivial matter, and it can completely change interpretation and outcome how you count which jobs, for which other factors you correct, etc.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:24 pm)Alex K Wrote: There are some studies that show that the wage gap is a myth? Well I suppose that proves it.

Well there are some people who say the wage gap isn't a myth? Well I suppose that proves it. Next time say something useful.

(January 2, 2015 at 1:24 pm)Alex K Wrote: But I wonder something: how is the wage gap even defined in any specific mention? It's not at all a trivial matter, and it can completely change interpretation and outcome how you count which jobs, for which other factors you correct, etc.

It is defined as: men make more money than women for the same work.

Quote:And there are also studies that show that the wage gap is a myth and yet it's still very popular among feminists. So now we have examples of them being both dishonest and not dishonest.

I'd like to see a link to a credible study about the wage gap not being a myth, that is not dependent upon fallacies. I'd also like to know how it is possible to say the pay gap doesn't exist when not only does the average male make more money than women but also that white women make on average more than women of colour.