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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 11:16 am
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(January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you desire to be a puppet, do you desire to make your own choices, do you want to be forced to live a life you don't want? These things are why God has given you the freedom of choice, but just like with the world there are consequences to your choices.
Have you actually with seriousness looked for God, if you really want to know if He's real it's what you'll have to do, you get serious and God will open your eyes and mind, it will be up to you to open your heart.
GC
(January 2, 2015 at 9:13 am)h4ym4n Wrote: GC, does god know, at this very moment, if I am going to spend eternity in heaven or hell?
(January 2, 2015 at 10:46 am)Godschild Wrote: God is omniscient, you figure it out from there.
GC
Ah, so god does know at this very moment, and for all of time, where I will be spending my eternal life.
Do I have or have I ever had the ability to change that destination?
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm
(January 2, 2015 at 11:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you desire to be a puppet, do you desire to make your own choices, do you want to be forced to live a life you don't want? These things are why God has given you the freedom of choice, but just like with the world there are consequences to your choices.
Have you actually with seriousness looked for God, if you really want to know if He's real it's what you'll have to do, you get serious and God will open your eyes and mind, it will be up to you to open your heart.
GC
(January 2, 2015 at 9:13 am)h4ym4n Wrote: GC, does god know, at this very moment, if I am going to spend eternity in heaven or hell?
(January 2, 2015 at 10:46 am)Godschild Wrote: God is omniscient, you figure it out from there.
GC
Ah, so god does know at this very moment, and for all of time, where I will be spending my eternal life.
Do I have or have I ever had the ability to change that destination?
No god sends people to hell like he doesn't want us atheists to believe in him. So if god knows the past future and present were already fucked since birth.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 12:26 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 7:49 pm)lifesagift Wrote: by that I mean, I have no belief in any god, but so many people do believe.... so why does god, all powerful, let me not believe?
God's power level depends on the writer. In some issues he can create universes, in others he just helps someone's car make it to the tent revival on 'empty'.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 3:17 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Heywood Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Spooky Wrote: Prove god can do anything. That is not your definition of "all powerful". All powerful never seems to take into account simple logic.
om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high
Fine. Since god is proving not omnipotent but impotent today lets try some easier ones:
Can god continue to spread the good word with a complete lack of violence? Oops, human error screws that up. But since god can't do anything about that lets try again. Can god create a divinely inspired text that won't be used to incite violence that will claim the lives of millions? Shit, humans messing stuff up again. Can god communicate using anything other than two thousand year old fairy tales? No. Can god create a creature in his image that doesn't happen to be completely fubar? Apparently not.
Can god nut up and take accountability for his bullshit? Probably not. God can't do anything because god doesn't exist.
God is a complete failure to live up to his own definition.
You are using a secular definition for omnipotence not a philosophical or theological one.
I'll bite - what's the difference?
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Quote:A moveable/unmoveable rock is nonsensical. Propositioning nonsense is not a good argument.
Translation: Woodie doesn't understand the question.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 4:45 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 11:14 pm)professor Wrote: <snip>things God can't do.
He cannot lie, nor change His nature, nor can He learn or be taught.
So I have a power God does not; I can lie.
Something seems to be wrong with his omnipotence.
Is there some text in God's EULA which explains this?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 4:46 pm
God is a weakling. I beat him at arm wrestling and chess daily. He doesn't even know all the rules yet. What a dumbass.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Sorry... I've been away... when I asked how powerful is God, I meant Zeus.. sorry for any confusion caused.
PS if you're about to post a reply and your response is going to be negative, improper, average, odd, obtuse, irrational, an argument, might change the focus, going off at a tangent or just mean ... go and find a maths forum to post on instead, they'll love you !!
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 6:01 pm
(January 2, 2015 at 3:17 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Heywood Wrote: You are using a secular definition for omnipotence not a philosophical or theological one.
I'll bite - what's the difference?
Most modern theists define god's power as being 'maximally' powerful.
That is, the ability to do anything that is not logically impossible. He can't create a square triangle, a rock so big... yada yada, or a microwaved burrito so hot that he can't eat it.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm
(January 2, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: That is, the ability to do anything that is not logically impossible.
So the virgin birth is pretty much out of the window.
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