(January 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 2, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: That is, the ability to do anything that is not logically impossible.

So the virgin birth is pretty much out of the window.

They would say he could do that because it doesn't violate the logical absolutes.

He wouldn't be able to make a square triangle or a rock so big that he can't lift it because those things violate the law of non-contradiction, which 'God' can't do.

(January 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm)abaris Wrote: So the virgin birth is pretty much out of the window.

No, no, no.
Virgin birth isn't even hard:
Virgin female defined as one who has not had sex with a male.

Virgin birth howto:
1) Collect ova from female (doesn't even have to be the same one)
2) Collect semen from male.
3) Mix
4) Wait a little while for embryos to show viability
5) Transfer embryo to VIRGIN uterus
6) Wait longer
7) C-section or vaginal delivery your choice.

Virgin birth: not a miracle....ever.

God is more powerful than a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet, able to leap tall build...

Never mind.

Boru

(January 2, 2015 at 6:37 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Virgin birth isn't even hard:

At the very least, you don't need for it to be hard in order to have a virgin birth.

(January 2, 2015 at 8:47 pm)Tonus Wrote: At the very least, you don't need for it to be hard in order to have a virgin birth.

There's no bible passage about how well equipped god actually is. But his son/alter ego must have been massively packing, considering the amount of genuine Jesus foreskins the church has collected. There are 18 different sites reported to have a piece of it and remember, christ was only an infant when it was harvested.

(January 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Spooky Wrote: Prove god can do anything. That is not your definition of "all powerful". All powerful never seems to take into account simple logic.

om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high

Fine. Since god is proving not omnipotent but impotent today lets try some easier ones:
Can god continue to spread the good word with a complete lack of violence? Oops, human error screws that up. But since god can't do anything about that lets try again. Can god create a divinely inspired text that won't be used to incite violence that will claim the lives of millions? Shit, humans messing stuff up again. Can god communicate using anything other than two thousand year old fairy tales? No. Can god create a creature in his image that doesn't happen to be completely fubar? Apparently not.
Can god nut up and take accountability for his bullshit? Probably not. God can't do anything because god doesn't exist.
God is a complete failure to live up to his own definition.

You are using a secular definition for omnipotence not a philosophical or theological one.

Anyways, the point I was making is that proposition such as the one you made are nonsensical and therefore cannot be used to tell us anything....including what it means to be omnipotent. They are a stupid waste of time.

Arguing the undiscernable characteristics of an undemonstrated being is a fucking waste of time.

(January 2, 2015 at 11:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you desire to be a puppet, do you desire to make your own choices, do you want to be forced to live a life you don't want? These things are why God has given you the freedom of choice, but just like with the world there are consequences to your choices.
Have you actually with seriousness looked for God, if you really want to know if He's real it's what you'll have to do, you get serious and God will open your eyes and mind, it will be up to you to open your heart.

GC

(January 2, 2015 at 9:13 am)h4ym4n Wrote: GC, does god know, at this very moment, if I am going to spend eternity in heaven or hell?

(January 2, 2015 at 10:46 am)Godschild Wrote: God is omniscient, you figure it out from there.

GC

Ah, so god does know at this very moment, and for all of time, where I will be spending my eternal life.

Do I have or have I ever had the ability to change that destination?

You will always be able to choose God and the salvation that comes through Christ. Here's the question you should be asking, do I want to change the destination I was born to, all are born without salvation and that's something you can change.

I'm pretty sure I know what you're try to get at and you should look at this situation you think you can't change in this way, God knows your eternal destination and for all you know it's heaven.

GC

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(January 2, 2015 at 4:45 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 11:14 pm)professor Wrote: <snip>things God can't do.
He cannot lie, nor change His nature, nor can He learn or be taught.

So I have a power God does not; I can lie.
Something seems to be wrong with his omnipotence.
Is there some text in God's EULA which explains this?

Lying isn't a power, it's the result of one not using their brain.

GC

(January 2, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 2, 2015 at 11:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Ah, so god does know at this very moment, and for all of time, where I will be spending my eternal life.

Do I have or have I ever had the ability to change that destination?

You will always be able to choose God and the salvation that comes through Christ. Here's the question you should be asking, do I want to change the destination I was born to, all are born without salvation and that's something you can change.

I'm pretty sure I know what you're try to get at and you should look at this situation you think you can't change in this way, God knows your eternal destination and for all you know it's heaven.

GC

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(January 2, 2015 at 4:45 pm)JuliaL Wrote: So I have a power God does not; I can lie.
Something seems to be wrong with his omnipotence.
Is there some text in God's EULA which explains this?

Lying isn't a power, it's the result of one not using their brain.

GC

Even if i wanted to gc i wouldn't be welcomed into heaven by god GC.

(January 2, 2015 at 6:37 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(January 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm)abaris Wrote: So the virgin birth is pretty much out of the window.

No, no, no.
Virgin birth isn't even hard:
Virgin female defined as one who has not had sex with a male.

Virgin birth howto:
1) Collect ova from female (doesn't even have to be the same one)
2) Collect semen from male.
3) Mix
4) Wait a little while for embryos to show viability
5) Transfer embryo to VIRGIN uterus
6) Wait longer
7) C-section or vaginal delivery your choice.

Virgin birth: not a miracle....ever.

Buk-bugock! Buk buk... brruck!