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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:37 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 5, 2015 at 12:43 pm)dyresand Wrote: Because the devil cares about our independence. Only god talked about how satan hates humans when he doesn't otherwise he would have a higher kill count than magical kim jong il in sky north korea. The devil had his free will i think he is pissed at god for not allowing humans to get it free will even if god is the creator of everything the devil probably knew its unethical and its wrong to command people around without their free will of saying yes or no. In other words the devil wants us to have choices of our own instead of being talked down to. Other wise why would the devil care to give us free will and fight god. The devil he is like batman he is the hero no christian want's but needs.
That's just it. The devil is not selling independance. He is selling slavery as well. Being a slave to sin is like being an addict. You may enjoy the initial high, but from that point forward you are chasing a dragon you'll never catch. All the while the persuit of the dragon will destroy your life, and the lives of your loved ones.
HOW THE FUCK IS GOD SELLING FREEDOM IF HE ONLY WANTED TO TALK DOWN ON YOU AND FUCKING COMMAND ANYONE AROUND LIKE A FUCKING DRONE. HE COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE AROUND LIKE FUCKING DRONES, THEY HAD NO FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THEY WANTED TO DO THEY HAD NO OPTIONS! SO HOW IS GOD SELLING FREEDOM WHEN HE NEVER WANTED US TO HAVE IT!
you go on and be a slave to god fine by me i don't really care. but what i do know is in my atheist world view science is right god doesn't exist and we all have to deal with one another with equal respect.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:41 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:37 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 5, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Drich Wrote: That's just it. The devil is not selling independance. He is selling slavery as well. Being a slave to sin is like being an addict. You may enjoy the initial high, but from that point forward you are chasing a dragon you'll never catch. All the while the persuit of the dragon will destroy your life, and the lives of your loved ones.
HOW THE FUCK IS GOD SELLING FREEDOM IF HE ONLY WANTED TO TALK DOWN ON YOU AND FUCKING COMMAND ANYONE AROUND LIKE A FUCKING DRONE. HE COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE AROUND LIKE FUCKING DRONES, THEY HAD NO FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THEY WANTED TO DO THEY HAD NO OPTIONS! SO HOW IS GOD SELLING FREEDOM WHEN HE NEVER WANTED US TO HAVE IT!
you go on and be a slave to god fine by me i don't really care. but what i do know is in my atheist world view science is right god doesn't exist and we all have to deal with one another with equal respect.
What makes you think God is selling freedom?
God is looking for servants/slaves, and so is satan. That is why I said 'free will' is a joke. It is a greek construct and not one made orginally in the bible.
God promises his yoke is easy and his burden light, (Again think of Joseph and his position as pharroah's slave, He was the #2 guy in all of egypt, and lived like pharroah did.) and well look at the world around you and see what sin brings. Famine, war, disease (Think all the worst parts of third world nations.)
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:42 pm
God wants us to be good slaves.
I'll pass, thanks Drich.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: God wants us to be good slaves.
I'll pass, thanks Drich.
Pass to what?
What option do you think you have?
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 5, 2015 at 4:37 pm)dyresand Wrote: HOW THE FUCK IS GOD SELLING FREEDOM IF HE ONLY WANTED TO TALK DOWN ON YOU AND FUCKING COMMAND ANYONE AROUND LIKE A FUCKING DRONE. HE COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE AROUND LIKE FUCKING DRONES, THEY HAD NO FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THEY WANTED TO DO THEY HAD NO OPTIONS! SO HOW IS GOD SELLING FREEDOM WHEN HE NEVER WANTED US TO HAVE IT!
you go on and be a slave to god fine by me i don't really care. but what i do know is in my atheist world view science is right god doesn't exist and we all have to deal with one another with equal respect.
What makes you think God is selling freedom?
God is looking for servants/slaves, and so is satan. That is why I said 'free will' is a joke. It is a greek construct and not one made orginally in the bible.
God promises his yoke is easy and his burden light, (Again think of Joseph and his position as pharroah's slave, He was the #2 guy in all of egypt, and lived like pharroah did.) and well look at the world around you and see what sin brings. Famine, war, disease (Think all the worst parts of third world nations.)
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suppose this is all real.... when we die we either go to heaven or hell... heaven you get your free will stripped away in hell you keep it... now... whats to say god is or isn't a slave master in heaven... because if you have no free will in heaven god is a slave master to the souls he created. and if god is real i would go as far to say i really hated that he created my soul and were to just destroy it because either or i wouldn't like those 2 options for a after life.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:47 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 5, 2015 at 4:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: God wants us to be good slaves.
I'll pass, thanks Drich.
Pass to what?
What option do you think you have?
To give absolutely zero regard to what your or anyone else's fairy tales say, and live my life how I see fit.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 5:03 pm
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(January 5, 2015 at 4:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Pass to what?
What option do you think you have?
To give absolutely zero regard to what your or anyone else's fairy tales say, and live my life how I see fit.
If i have a after life i would want to live my after life as i see fit... but i cannot see how any person with a scrap even so minuscule of sanity would want to be a slave in the after life.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 5:08 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm)dyresand Wrote: suppose this is all real.... when we die we either go to heaven or hell... heaven you get your free will stripped away in hell you keep it... now... Where did you read that?
God wants Slaves servants. Christ said as a Slave to God your work is easy and burden is light.
Satan also wants slaves.
Quote:whats to say god is or isn't a slave master in heaven...
Jesus said He was.
Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Your problem? you only know sterotypes, and can't seem to look beyond them. It's like when I say slave you think black man, cotton field, Toby/koonta kinta Whip. When In fact I have repeatedly pointed to the other end of the spectrum. Joseph, the slave of Pharroah who lived like a king, and answered only to Pharroah himself.
Quote: because if you have no free will in heaven god is a slave master to the souls he created. and if god is real i would go as far to say i really hated that he created my soul and were to just destroy it because either or i wouldn't like those 2 options for a after life.
If you are destroyed in Hell, what does it matter what you think of God?
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 5:10 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Drich Wrote: God is looking for servants/slaves, and so is satan. That is why I said 'free will' is a joke. It is a greek construct and not one made orginally in the bible.
What brand of christian are you? I have never in my life heard this from another christian.
Like! 
Hows that all loving again?
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 5:16 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: God wants Slaves servants. Christ said as a Slave to God your work is easy and burden is light.
How magnanimous of god. Yes, massa, being good, massa. Something to aspire to, indeed.
(January 5, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: Satan also wants slaves.
If you are destroyed in Hell, what does it matter what you think of God?
Which of the two is it? Being slave to Satan or being destroyed? Can't have it both ways.
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