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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:34 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:27 pm)Fendon Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 4:24 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yep...it is called a faith, you know.
I did some kind of drug every day for fifteen years. I was completely addicted, in the end having blackouts even during my relatively sober hours. Then I stopped. I credit God with that. You would likely call it spontaneous recovery and credit some as yet unknown natural cause.
If someone's struggling with drugs, I tell them my story. Maybe they hear similar stories, maybe they don't. Maybe they agree with me, maybe they think as you do. Doesn't really matter to me. I'm sober and I'm happy. When I get resentful about something in my life, I remember that God has forgiven me, and I become grateful and forgiving again, which makes me happier. My life is really good. So you think my standards of evidence aren't high enough? BFD 
I'm not looking to become an active contributor to this thread, but I think you'll find that most Atheists will credit your drug addiction recovery (congratulations, by the way) to you and you alone. There's more beauty in that, in my opinion; having the shred of independence to make that decision on your own is a beautiful thing.
Not nearly as beautiful as the loving God of creation, coming into ones life to rescue them from something they could never do, I've been there also and know that great love. Anyone can love themselves that's the easiest thing in the world, it's the love of others that's to be cherished.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:34 pm
Oh god the white noise is unbearable.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: meaning we will remember no more,
So..God wipes your brain clean of all bad memories? What happened to free will? Or does that not exist in heaven?
The righteous through Christ would beg for it if it were not given as a loving gift, which it is.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: I see you have a poor understanding of the scriptures, God will give relief to us of sadness, pain and all the other ills of this world, meaning we will remember no more, a great blessing for those who live their lives for Christ.
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Then you will no longer be you in Heaven.
On a side note. I don't much care whether my understanding of scripture is poor, in the same way you probably don't care if your understanding of the Hindu Vedas or the Koran is poor.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:37 pm
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(January 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 4:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So..God wipes your brain clean of all bad memories? What happened to free will? Or does that not exist in heaven?
The righteous through Christ would beg for it if it were not given as a loving gift, which it is.
GC
So, that's a yes.
God literally tampers with your mind? What kind of free will is that? Or hell, what kind of god wants to brainwash their subjects into ignorant bliss?
That's some Brave New World shit right there. Leave me out of it.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:39 pm
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(January 8, 2015 at 4:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Oh god the white noise is unbearable.
Then stop your bitch'n.
GC
(January 8, 2015 at 4:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: The righteous through Christ would beg for it if it were not given as a loving gift, which it is.
GC
So, that's a yes.
God literally tampers with your mind? What kind of free will is that? Or hell, what kind of god wants to brainwash their subjects into ignorant bliss?
That's some Brave New World shit right there. Leave me out of it.
Are you so dense that you can't understand those in heaven will desire it.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:42 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: That half worship gods of wood and stone, I on the other hand worship a risen living Savior, who actually said that most of the world would reject Him, I'm on coarse, that straight and narrow road you know.
GC You make it sound as though more than half of the world are tribal people. Arrogance permeates Christianity. You assert that you worship the right god and in the right way. If you were born in India, you'd most likely follow Hinduism. If you were born in Thailand, you'd most likely subscribe to the Buddhist line of belief. People who follow different religions believe they are just as right as you. However, your beliefs are correct because you just so happened to be born in a country dominated by Christians and just so happen to follow the correct variant of Christianity.
As far as I can possibly know and as you can possibly know, we might both be fucked because we're not worshiping a forest god of some Amazonian tribe.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:42 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 4:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Oh god the white noise is unbearable.
Then stop your bitch'n.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:43 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: Are you so dense that you can't understand those in heaven will desire it.
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So if you were in heaven, you would want God to tamper with your memories?
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:43 pm
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(January 8, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 4:27 pm)Fendon Wrote: I'm not looking to become an active contributor to this thread, but I think you'll find that most Atheists will credit your drug addiction recovery (congratulations, by the way) to you and you alone. There's more beauty in that, in my opinion; having the shred of independence to make that decision on your own is a beautiful thing.
Not nearly as beautiful as the loving God of creation, coming into ones life to rescue them from something they could never do, I've been there also and know that great love. Anyone can love themselves that's the easiest thing in the world, it's the love of others that's to be cherished.
GC
What about non-believers who have recovered through similar ordeals? Do you credit that to be the work of God as well? Are you actually saying that no other person is capable of recovering with drug addiction without God holding their hand all the way?
Basically, you've stripped nearly a billion people of their achievements in life and given the credit to God.
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